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jedi90
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Yes, some kryptonite leaked through and he could see it as he lifted. It's not so much a plot hole, as much as a demonstration of his force of will, using every bit of the energy he absorbed (and remember, he still had a tiny fragment of kryptonite stuck in his side) to lift it into space. We saw the effort nearly killed him.


if you use that logic then the kryptonite shouldn't have effected him in the first place since supes had been "flying high" all day absorbing energy. the whole sun dip thing is dumb enough, Singer just complicated the matter.

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Sundips are a natural extension of his powerset. How are they "dumb"?


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I really think it was never intended to be historically accurate. First of all, your hypothesis about Singer not knowing about superman is completely false. Singer was very clear that he was an avid superman fan, and wanted to do the series "justice" It is because he valued the original movies so much that he "rehashed" so much, he was trying to stay true to the originals.

As for the glasses, it always bothered me as well, they should not be there, but in the end I have always believed it was more of an artistic statement than anything. It also makes clark readily distinguishable as a boy (as if the super speed and jumping across a cornfield wasn't enough....) Again, in the end I think it is simply Singer taking a little bit of artistic license. (silly as it is) He knew they didn't belong, but thought they looked good.


Singer was not a so called superman fan. he only heard of superman from the George Reeves tv show and only learned about supes from the donner movies. He admitted he never read a superman comic (most likely played with dolls). He also said he mostly enjoyed the romance from the originals. He didn't rehash SR, he practically remade Superman 1.
Singer was making a sequel to supes 1 & 2 so having young clark wear glasses and fly before his trip to the fortress is a plothole.

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Sundips are a natural extension of his powerset. How are they "dumb"?


it was introduced to give supes a reason to have more power. it's a relatively new power. like his soul vision roll eyes (sarcastic). there is no difference between red and yellow sun energy. sun dipping should cause cell damage to him but whatever....
so now whenever supes is presented with a challenge he'll sun dip his way out of it.

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it was introduced to give supes a reason to have more power. it's a relatively new power. like his soul vision roll eyes (sarcastic). there is no difference between red and yellow sun energy. sun dipping should cause cell damage to him but whatever....
so now whenever supes is presented with a challenge he'll sun dip his way out of it.


it was introduced years ago. what do you mean by "relatively" because even john byrne used to reference it.

soul vision is just him seeing energies in the electromagnetic spectrum. it was explained.

red/yellow is just comics. it doesn't have to be scientifically accurate. that's kind of the point of the character's powers.

and no, he sundips rarely if at all. his powers as they are, are usually enough to help him.


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if i remember correctly, superman's power intensifies with the sun's radiation.. the radiation emitted by the sun is metabolized by superman's cells in such a way that makes him, well, super.. seeing as how the sun is ground zero for his "energy" source, a sun dip is the most logical thing to do when superman is in a bind.. he's been doing it for a while.. not too often, as Pr said, but he's been known to sun dip here and there..


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it was introduced years ago. what do you mean by "relatively" because even john byrne used to reference it.

soul vision is just him seeing energies in the electromagnetic spectrum. it was explained.

red/yellow is just comics. it doesn't have to be scientifically accurate. that's kind of the point of the character's powers.

and no, he sundips rarely if at all. his powers as they are, are usually enough to help him.


I don't remember Bryne using it but in the span of the character's history, it is a new power.

no, supes doesn't have to be scientifically accurate but it does have to have some logic or believable to work.

sundipping shouldn't work or should kill him. similar to all star superman.

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I don't remember Bryne using it but in the span of the character's history, it is a new power.

no, supes doesn't have to be scientifically accurate but it does have to have some logic or believable to work.

sundipping shouldn't work or should kill him. similar to all star superman.


byrne referenced superman being a solar battery. almost 30 years is no short time.

believable in the context of his own series and his own world, which it is. it's also logical. its been explained how his powers work.

why?


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byrne referenced superman being a solar battery. almost 30 years is no short time.

believable in the context of his own series and his own world, which it is. it's also logical. its been explained how his powers work.

why?


The character is 70 years old.

Now a days by the fifth grade most kids are taught that there isn't much difference between a blue, yellow, and red star except age. There is enough science in superman stories to question this.

Over exposure to radiation kills. sundippin is supes over exposing himself to the sun for a power boost. this was also a plot point that was made in all star superman.

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Over exposure to radiation kills. sundippin is supes over exposing himself to the sun for a power boost. this was also a plot point that was made in all star superman.
All-Star Superman =/= mainstream Superman. They are two completely different versions of the character, from two completely different continuities. That said, mainstream Superman has sundipped numerous times on panel, with absolutely no ill-effect. He simply becomes more powerful for a duration of time, then the extra power he absorbed wears off, and he returns back to normal.

Regardless, Superman has been preforming actual sundips (or at least moving within close proximity to stars in order to empower himself well beyond the 'norm') for at least 13 years. Like it or not, it is a part of his powerset.


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The character is 70 years old.

Now a days by the fifth grade most kids are taught that there isn't much difference between a blue, yellow, and red star except age. There is enough science in superman stories to question this.

Over exposure to radiation kills. sundippin is supes over exposing himself to the sun for a power boost. this was also a plot point that was made in all star superman.


it's not the same superman, due to reboots and the like.


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