Registered: Jul 2005
Location: Captain's Chair, CA
Unions are nothing, right? Unions aren't politically active, right? You fail "to infinity and beyond!"
They're as corrupt as big business these days... The days of "the union helps the little guy" is long over. Unions are politically invested just as much as big business, they have to be. You fail (again).
Yes Americans do have issues with big business, but they did not push for anything that would anger the republican base or the moderates, therefore thats not a valid example.
Registered: Jul 2005
Location: Captain's Chair, CA
No, "pwned" is something you'd hear in a schoolyard... Pointing out your constant failures and twisting is just [sad for you] fact.
We are? Aren't we discussing politics and your asinine beliefs that money has nothing to do with politicians or elections... But go ahead and spin, dodge, spin, accuse, spin.
Registered: May 2006
Location: One for the other hand
A debate has facts and proof given to back up statements, what have you done? I have asked you to site one example of anyone agreeing with your statement that big business does not have a major influence in politics.
That would imply I require anyone else to agree with it. And i have given you 2 separate examples of how politicians have to go with the majority or they won't be voted in.
Registered: May 2006
Location: One for the other hand
According to widespread published reports, "thanks to successful co-operation between large corporations and government", the Earth's vital ozone layer is well on its way to recovery. Hurray! Sounds great.
But there is one problem with that representation though. That representation is propaganda, spread by the well-financed operatives of Big Business enterprises. The owners of these Big Business enterprises in countries like Canada, have made "cosmetic" adjustments, in response to mounting pressures into the 1990's to abandon the distribution of ozone depleting products. However, these same owners of Big Business enterprises have simply shifted the sale of their environmentally destructive products into "new expanding markets", as well as into diverse "Third World" countries. Communist China has been the prime outlet for greed driven owners of capital in the industrialized West. In the apparent view of these capitalistocratic "entrepreneurs", the survival of billions of people on the planet, and the hospitability of the Earth in general as a source of protection from lethal solar radiation, ought not to stand in the way of their pursuit of their private commercial "profit-making" activities.
The "owners of capital" have bribed their way into "markets" at home, and abroad, corrupting in the process, local politicians, who are all too eager for their so-called "investments". Those local politicians who have not been so easy to bribe, have been coerced via pressures from domestic, and in particular, "international financial institutional arrangements", that include loan debt. These "arrangements" have been sought to complement the Big Business enterprise activities of "owners of capital" who pursue commercial "profit-making", at the expense of the ozone layer.
Saying "We need to get the **** out of Iraq!" doesn't count as angering the Republican base who keep claiming that public rage is not supporting the troops?
Bush has made it clear he will veto (as evident by the last sentence of the first paragraph "The White House dismissed the legislation as "dead before arrival."), but I guess this doesn't count.
Feel like I'm noobing a noob in Halo or something. This is too easy.
__________________ "Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise." - Thomas Gray
Registered: Jul 2005
Location: Captain's Chair, CA
Keep in mind guys, Starhawk is the one that cried about improper "debate etiquette" and how on-line debates aren't the same as proper 'debate squads', yet he feels it isn't necessary to post facts to support his Barnum & Bailey like claims.
Registered: May 2006
Location: One for the other hand
Some debating rules, not saying I follow all of them but some key ones.
1. Avoid the use of Never.
2. Avoid the use of Always.
3. Refrain from saying you are wrong.
4. You can say your idea is mistaken. 5. Don't disagree with obvious truths.
6. Attack the idea not the person.
7. Use many rather than most. 8. Avoid exaggeration.
9. Use some rather than many.
10. The use of often allows for exceptions.
11. The use of generally allows for exceptions. 12. Quote sources and numbers. 13. If it is just an opinion, admit it.
14. Do not present opinion as facts.
15. Smile when disagreeing.
16. Stress the positive.
17. You do not need to win every battle to win the war.
18. Concede minor or trivial points.
19. Avoid bickering, quarreling, and wrangling.
20. Watch your tone of voice.
21. Don't win a debate and lose a friend.
22. Keep your perspective - You're just debating.
Apr 26th, 2007 08:51 PM
A debate has facts and proof given to back up statements, what have you done? I have asked you to site one example of anyone agreeing with your statement that big business does not have a major influence in politics.
check the beginning of this thread. i gave him a chance and paid the punishment for doing so (wasted time, annoyance, insults etc)
