Yes but Namor and the Hulk is a bit of a different scenario. As far as pure strength and durability goes, yes Hulk has Namor beaten hands down. But Namor has a shot, because he has a MASSIVE speed advantage, the ability to fly, and far superior fighting skills. So it makes sense that the two of of them would be a good fight.
But thats what im saying. Many people base the fights off feats and say how one person would destroy the other, yet when they fight 4, 5 or 6 times in the comics, the fights are drastically even. Dont get me wrong. there are some cases where that shouldnt matter at all, like Batman vs Superman or something like that. I personally dont go by feats, but rather whats displayed on a consistant basis because obviously some characters are less popular and dont have the feats or just havent been around as long.
Im going to get grief for this. Well I think it depends wether characters are prescribed to do it or not. For example if the bio says that they can do something but the comics consistently prove them wrong like Powerman lifting more than 3 tons in a comic thats not PIS. IF both bio and comics back something up then its not PIS. For example:
Mantis
Her mastery of the Priests' martial arts, which focus on manipulation of nerve endings and pressure points, has enabled her to knock out beings as powerful as Thor.
When you have something like this you cant turn around as says its PIS because the Universe has prescibed her with the ability to do it. Saying this is PIS, is like saying humans on Mars cant die of radiation because you dont want to belive its true. People have to understand that physics are different in the MU. Another thing to bare in mind is that Spiderman and Wonder Woman should be bullet proof. Strength is relative to durability but their not, so to an extent you can't use common sense. The best way to tell if something is PIS or not is by seeing wether characters are prescribed to do it.
Im looking but I cant see it anywhere.
No Mentioning Events of PIS
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.
Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.
Spiderman Vs Firelord says this.
Batman being able to sneak up on Superman is not because he has done so frequently under different writers.
This implies that PIS can be contingent to consistency eventhough this is in the SvFL section, SvFL is just a greater version of PIS and therefore can be applied.
Im sure you are contradicting yourself im sure in the Cap vs Spidey thread you said it was.
__________________ Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.
- General George Patton Jr
Eh, pretty much. It's pointless to argue that something is PIS because it would not make sense in real world physics. If that was what you were meaning.
Hmm, I recall it actually stated. Oh well, the examples given clearly imply that regardless of how many times a Flash story occurs where the opponent is tremendously inferior speedwise it is PIS. And that regardless of how many times Toy Man was written as a threat to Superman it would be PIS.
It's a different section. You simply make biased inference because the characters you like are riddled with SvFL and PIS. Despite the example and name of SvFL, it generally refers to individual feats where a character has a showing beyond their abilities, while PIS generally refers to events or incidents where a character has been limited to enhance the story.
Regardless: "I prefer to rely on common sense to tell me what's BS."
They're similar concepts but they're distinct concepts. That's why there are two of them.
(Oh and FYI, the Kree are a genetically stagnant species because they failed the test of the Crystal of Ultimate Vision. Had Wolverine taken the omnipotence granted by the crystal when he became akin to a god, humanity would also be evolutionarily frozen.)
Yes but if they are similar concepts that Batman example can still apply to PIS. Mars has a similar but distinct atmosphere, but its not so distinct that humans cant live there. Venus however is so distinct that humans cannot. Both examples merely talk about characters doing things they should not.
Well im not sure if I want to get into this again, because basically I stoped debating because you were being rude, but I will try again.
Im aware of Kree genetics but still the Kree did not experiment on the Skrulls, Shiar and probably 1000's of other aliens in the galaxy the humans are still distcintly special. Really if you want to talk about this you should go back to my thread, this is the wrong section.
I think prescription is good way of determining wether a character can do something or not.
__________________ Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.
- General George Patton Jr
The Skrull also failed the Crystal's test. As did many others. That was just an FYI I've no further interest in "debating" your crackpot theories.
A combination of prescribed characteristics, logic and common sense are adequate.
The point im trying to make is that Mars is not so disticnt from Earth that humans cant find a way to live on it. Humans cannot live on Venus. I also stated that:
If SvFL and PIS are similar examples than the batman example still applies. Isn't SvFL and PIS merely just about characters doing things they should not be able to do?
The skrulls may have failed the test but there genetics are still greater than the Kree. The fact they can all shapshifte proves it. In fact they have more genetic potential in the fact that all Skrulls have powers, not all humans do. Despite this the Kree still decided to experiement on humans.
Skrulls are known for their ability to shapeshift. All Skrulls are highly versatile shapeshifters who are not only able to mimic other humanoid species, but also to assume virtually any shape, from non-humanoid species such as cows to abstract shapes such as a box.
Did the Shiar fail the test? Can you also state the other races that failed? Eventhough other may have failed there are probably still loads of other.
Well why did you go blantantly off topic? Its not an FYI, otherwise you would have stoped debating by now.
Thats fine.
__________________ Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.
- General George Patton Jr
"Isn't SvFL and PIS merely just about characters doing things they should not be able to do?"
Aren't and "no". Only if one oversimplifies. They're distinct concepts.
PIS is about things happening to characters that shouldn't or fights lasting longer than they should etc. because of plot-induced lowering of a character's or characters' abilities in comparison to their other showings.
SvFL is about characters doing things blatantly beyond their abilities, as a statistical outlier, and it needn't be plot-induced.
FYI means what it means, for your information. That was for your information.
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Nov 27th, 2006 03:29 AM
You do realise Mars' atmosphere is 95% CO2 right?
I also stated that:
