Well, this is quite an old topic, but I listened to Malice n Wonderland from Snoop Dogg and it is a piece of art I must say. Like Rembrant, but in Music. Tho I got a suspicion that he might actually be dissing Eminem in that album. I ain't sure tho, as it seems too crazy to believe. ANyhow, if there was beef between Snoop and Eminem, I think Snoop would crush Eminem in pieces. What do you guys think, anyone who listened to Malice n Wonderland, is Snoop dissing M?
Yeah bro, they have a beef but few people from general public know about it. Snoop Dogg is dissing Eminem throughout the whole Malice N Wonderland album. It's a reply to Eminem's dissing in Relapse-Refill ("I don't want no doggone beef... See? Ain‘t no reason to sick the doggs on me...") which is a beef album strictly dedicated to Snoop Dogg, where even Dr. Dre is dissing Snoop Dogg (song "Hell Breaks Loose").
I don't know if I believe in the Em vs. Snoop Beef or not, because....
I'm not sure if I believe in this cryptic belief that Eminem and Snoop Dogg are beefing.There are SOME strange lyrics that COULD be subliminal disses from Snoop and Em, but my doubt stems from this: Think about it..... Since when do THOSE 2 RAPPERS "SUBLIMINALLY" DISS ANYONE? I've heard Snoop tear apart Eazy-E, Tim Dog, Luke and Suge Knight with absolutely ruthless hatred. I've also heard Eminem rip apart Everlast, Benzino, Ja Rule, The entire Source Magazine, Mariah Carey and Insane Clown Posse and his disses are even more personal and harsh than when Snoop disses someone hard.
So, I'm thinking that if these 2 guys who don't share a record label, or really any affiliations with anyone other than Dr. Dre were beefing, we'd hear some name calling and the disses would be harsh as hell, as they have been in the past.
There's also the "Snoop Eminem Beef" homepage making wild assumptions about other rappers joining a conspiracy to subliminally diss either Snoop or Eminem, as in like, joining the fight. I've heard 100 different rappers that abbreviate the word "them" with " 'em" as a natural way of abbreviating that everyone else uses too. "Go get 'em for me" does not mean, "Go get Eminem for me." Such "evidence" is not evidence at all. it is impossible to make an entire hip-hop LP with using the abbreviation, and anyone that page hears using it alleges that they have teamed up with Snoop against Eminem. LOGIC LEAP CONSPIRACY THEORY STUFF. I think if they were beefing they would tear each other apart.
Based on flow, charisma,and lyrical talent its gotta be shady, snoop is talented tho, but his style of slow almost "i cannot be bothered doing this right now" style puts alot of people of, but he can write classics for sure, the slim shady LP & The Marshall Mathers LP are better than anything Snoops done, apart from appearing on WWE and knockout that insignificant fat **** out that everybody hated.
Infinite, MMLP, SSLP and Relapse >>> anything Lyrically...Em is leaps and bounds more skilled than Snoop, has better flow, and can adapt his style and change it in many different ways.
Rock Bottom >>>> any track Snoops ever put out....easily
Its a tough one, Snoop has amassed quite a few 'influenced' rappers such as wiz for example, lets be honest, he's never been a great rapper, he was decent back in his earlier days, but since about 09 probably earlier hes just unbearable to listen to..but the general public(teen girls, stoner teen guys, stoner teen girls, stoner men, stoner women, anything that gets high likes wiz,, and then there are the people that genuinly like him, which i respect) hes a huge star, snoop was direct influence on him you can see that by taking a glance at Wiz' artistry image and his music, he is very laid-back(either because hes always high or) because of his snoop-esque style.
Em on the other hand, um...I cant really say who he has influence directly, but his success as a white rapper(even though there were a a couple handful of white rappers before him) but none had made that transition from underground royalty, to mainstream like he has(plus he's like top 5 goat and Dre thought he was black on his mixtape) I'd like to say Em >> Snoop in being influential, but he's not, because I dont think Em had directly influenced any other artist who has been as successful as wiz.
So, based on sheer numbers Em >>> Snoop but based on who has directly influenced another artist that is hugely popular and sells a ton of records consistently, it goes to snoop.
Thats probably only cos Em is white tho, which is quite a sensible argument, because even today, the number of black rappers outweighs the number of white rappers by a large margin.
Well, technically Em closes that gap because hes literally the biggest selling rapper of all time and biggest selling artist of the past decade and a half.
Snoop, i feel, influenced the game not just his lyrical attributes but his whole style. I don't think its a stretch to say that he's a major contribution to the 90's west coast rap scene. More so than NWA before him, i think he brought a respectable level of lyricism to the west coast. As u alluded earlier, nobody was effing with snoops 93/94 flow, though subjective at it is, it did have that nonchalant fluid, laid back flow that went to influence cats kurupt, DJ quick and a host of other West Coast rappers. And along with other Death Row member, he help make record label more than faceless establishments. It became a "gang" of sort, which is still going on today with label/crew such as Young Money, Maybach and Good Music.
And eminem influence rivals snoop in that he gave birth to something very very popular at the moment: Battle Rap. Not just freestyle battle rap but written ones. Leagues like URL, King of the Dot and Grindtime has influx of rappers who model their whole style from eminem multi-syllabic-heavy-rhyming mechanics. I think he help contributed to lyricism and the fact that every top tier emcee respects him can attest to his level of influence. Joe Budden, who's known for outlandish, often arrogant, claim even went on record saying Eminem is one guy whom he would not want to see in a battle, lol. So from commerical guys to underground heads, love him or hate him, his influence is definitely there, imo.
Last edited by dynamix on Dec 8th, 2013 at 04:09 PM