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EVANGEL94's 2nd SLUGFEST TOURNAMENT: Scoobless VS StarsNeverFall7 (Vote Now!)
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Originally posted by Evangel94
Wait, which part exactly are you objecting to?


I think using an EMP to hypothetically render Cable and Batman/Girl useless.

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Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
I think using an EMP to hypothetically render Cable and Batman/Girl useless.


Exactly, hence why I compared it to using Cable to completely diisassemble IM or WM's suit.

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Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Exactly, hence why I compared it to using Cable to completely diisassemble IM or WM's suit.

How exactly is Cable going to accomplish this?


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Originally posted by Roldz
How exactly is Cable going to accomplish this?


I didn't say he was going to. I was being hypothetical, same way that Magneto can disassemble and reassemble machines. It isn't allowed though, just was using it to try and make a point thats all.

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Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Then what is the EMP going to really do? Using the EMP should void out the TO virus, which we just give him full use of the TK.


It's going to cause his cybernetics to completely short out meaning half his body is immobilized.

It wont kill the TOV, magnetic fields don't seem to do anything to it... Magneto once ripped Cable apart (which is a more focused attack than this) and the TOV wasn't slowed down at all.

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Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
We have two versions of Hawkeye which they may be good, but in a fog that you can't hardly see, and a stealth god, Batman should be able to take them both out before they have time to load an arrow.


Not happening. Batman's tech is fried, he isn't going to be able to see through the sandstorm/fog better than anyone else... plus he's going to have to hold his cape in front of his mouth or something to protect himself.... both my Hawks are protected with armour and both are more than capable of taking down a no-advantage Batman

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Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
We have Wolverine, which by guessing by previous meetings will try to go straight for DP. This fight could go either way depending on who you ask, but with his added arsenal, and Spidey running his mouth in Logans ear, he goes down like Kitty Pride with a Shroyuken.


Wolverine has protective armour... DP's small arms fire isn't doing anything to him, plus anything he has with a circuit in it is useless at this point = Wolverine wins

Spider-Man will be more than a little preoccupied fighting the guy who is faster on the ground than he is... and with nothing to swing on to escape he isn't going to be fighting for long = Noh-Varr wins

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Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
No where in the provided link was it stated Mimic flies.


He has Northstar's powers at 50% .... northstar can fly at 99% lightspeed

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Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Neither Mimic or Psylocke is putting out a kiloton worth of damage in one strike, the shields WILL hold.


Cable is limited to pre-phoenix Jean power levels ... which is much less than Cable's usual and puts him and Psylocke on equal levels in terms of telepathy.

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Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
From this point Cable stands in front of Mimic and Psylocke. Fight begins, Iceman comes sliding in. Psylockes lack of speed in the matter leave her hanging while Cable uses one TP attack on mimic to throw him off, and Iceman puts him into a Subzero brick.


Mimic isn't standing anywhere, he's in the air and Cable can barely move as his cybernetics are fried. Mimic can take out Ice-Man with a single optic blast

Psylocke is staying away from the battlefield and Mimic is immune to telepathic attack/detection

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Plus he has Psylocke's powers on top of that.

Quasar Vs Thor? .... Thor is too noble to cheat ... which is why he was so easy to blind at the start of the Quasar Thor part of this fight.

Blind Thor = sitting duck = Thor losing

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Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
I think using an EMP to hypothetically render Cable and Batman/Girl useless.


They wouldn't be completely useless ... they just wouldn't be able to use any tech.


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Where did I say I was using tech for any of my team? I didn't.

Hawkeyes protected with armor, still doesn't help when fighting someone they can't find. Let me guess though, they can see in this dense fog? So can mimic?

Spiderman may not have him in speed, but can Marvel boy see while he is blinded by this fog? Doubt it, Peter can.

Where did I say a thing about Thor cheating? I said he wasn't letting go of his hammer, thats all.

We still have yet to get to how the majority of your team is going to take the hallucinations of DP and SM continously running their mouths...

Now in another sense, lets say this EMP attack is legal, whats to stop Thor from taking to team out of the blast radius? Or using weather control to cancel out this "sandstorm"?

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cable's arm isn't really tech is it. I mean it's not a robotic arm it's an arm that is metal and has like liquid metal for blood like when apoc chopped it off it wasn't sparking it was bleeding. Anyway I don't think an emp would work on cable since it's not robotic is more organic


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Yep, its techno organic. Magentos magnetic feilds didn;t work, isnt an EMP just an electro magnetic pulse?

An EMP attack if legal, would be known before hand and could be avoided. Leaving cable his only real cybernetic part left his eye, which should give him more than full visibility in this fog.

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This match will last until at least Monday. This should the participants plenty of time to debate.


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Hard to tell if Emp will work on Cable's techno virus, Magneto did manage to rip him apart but that was more of his magnetic powers to affect metal like how he remove Logan's adamantium, not an EMP...

I think both teams are equal but what swayed me for a better team is Quazar armor construct on the rest of his team greatly enhances there
chances of winning and those 2 tps... Psylocke can affect Bobby with those psi-blades if it hits, Too much use of Cable's psi-powers and the virus takes over... So ive got to give this to Scoobs better team..
Both debated well and had good write up but i slightly prefered Scoobs tactics.. For now i vote for Scoobs, could change later dough who knows..


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Voting on scoobs, he has an advantage with quasar force fields, stars has cable so scoob did what he had to do, he put 2 telepaths in his team to be able to manage this. No-Varr is above any spiderman or deadpool.
altough with mimic i would have trade beast power by psylocke power and not wolverine, healing factor could be necessary.


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Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Where did I say I was using tech for any of my team? I didn't.


Cable is half tech ... so you did.

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Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Hawkeyes protected with armor, still doesn't help when fighting someone they can't find. Let me guess though, they can see in this dense fog? So can mimic?


Hawkeye can see as well as Batman can, Mimic has telepathy to let him know where everyone is.

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Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Spiderman may not have him in speed, but can Marvel boy see while he is blinded by this fog? Doubt it, Peter can.


Even thick fog doesn't blind people ... he'll be able to seeat least 10-20 meters which is more than enough to fight someone.... besides, MB doesn't need to see to fight.

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Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Where did I say a thing about Thor cheating? I said he wasn't letting go of his hammer, thats all.


You missed the point there.

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We still have yet to get to how the majority of your team is going to take the hallucinations of DP and SM continously running their mouths...


They wont have to, the EMP will hurt Cable and cause him to focus on himself... and we half two telepaths to your one.... it wont be a problem.

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Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Now in another sense, lets say this EMP attack is legal, whats to stop Thor from taking to team out of the blast radius?


The "blast radius" is the entire planet..... if you take them out you just BFRd your own team.

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Originally posted by jasofisc
cable's arm isn't really tech is it.


Yes it is.

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Originally posted by Evangel94
This match will last until at least Monday. This should the participants plenty of time to debate.


That's a bad idea ... how many people are actually going to be on on Monday? ... even Sunday is doubtful.

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Originally posted by Loot
with mimic i would have trade beast power by psylocke power and not wolverine, healing factor could be necessary.


Well that bio is slightly out of date ... Mimic didin't have Beast's powers at the end, he had swapped them for Deadpool.

I figured DP's healing was a little better so I ditched Woverine


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Originally posted by Scoobless


Well that bio is slightly out of date ... Mimic didin't have Beast's powers at the end, he had swapped them for Deadpool.

I figured DP's healing was a little better so I ditched Woverine


didn´t knew that, forget what i said then, you made the right choice wink


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I still really don't see the TO virus as tech, but whatever you say.

Hawkeye may be able to see as well, but he doesn't have any where near the stealth capabilities.

Now, the EMP is the blast radius of the entire planet, so whats to say a forcefield couldn't protect the team with a change of weather to subdue the sandstorm. Also an EMP should be an energy attack, whats to avoid a forcefield from cable and using thor to absorb as much of it as possible with mjonlir?

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Now that I think about it, an EMP is designed to knock out things with an electric current. Cables virus doesn't have this therefor this EMP shouldn't do anything to his TO virus seeing as the virus is "alive" and not a machine running off of an electric current.

An EMP also isn't a physical property so using one isn't going to cause a blast or anything. If the EMP was caused due to a nuclear warhead, that would be one thing, but on its own? No.

Also these "jet fans" are going to be used to completely render a 50x50 miles radius unvisible?? I doubt it. Not to mention when Thor can create a storm to match it.

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Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
I still really don't see the TO virus as tech, but whatever you say.


It's a TECHno Organic virus.

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Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Hawkeye may be able to see as well, but he doesn't have any where near the stealth capabilities.


Batman is choking to death on sand, Hawkeye isn't.

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Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Now, the EMP is the blast radius of the entire planet, so whats to say a forcefield couldn't protect the team with a change of weather to subdue the sandstorm. Also an EMP should be an energy attack, whats to avoid a forcefield from cable and using thor to absorb as much of it as possible with mjonlir?


EMP is electromagnetic radiation ... which travels at the speed of light.... by the time they realise it's happened it'll be too late.

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Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
An EMP also isn't a physical property so using one isn't going to cause a blast or anything. If the EMP was caused due to a nuclear warhead, that would be one thing, but on its own? No.


I never once claimed there would be any physical destruction from the EMP .... confused

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Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Also these "jet fans" are going to be used to completely render a 50x50 miles radius unvisible?? I doubt it. Not to mention when Thor can create a storm to match it.


They aren't there to make it "invisible" ... they are there to blow sand about in order to hurt/kill/choke your team..... blinding them is just an added bonus.

If Thor adds to the strom then all the better ... my guys are still protected, unlike your team.


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Placing my vote for Stars. The giant fans would have been a cool trick against anyone else, but against a god who can redirect the wind on a whim? Also, I really don’t think an EMP will work on Cable’s arm. In volume 11 of Cable and Deadpool, after his arm gets destroyed in a fight with Silver Surfer, they don’t ‘rebuild it’, they regrow it using a TO alien baby. And like jasofisc pointed out, it bleeds when Apoc damages it. It has different properties than a normal machine. Anyway - good fight to both combatants. Enjoyed reading this one.


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Him, Scoobless had a better write-up, but I think stars is winning in the debate category... I'll have to wait this out some more.


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Placing my vote for Stars. The giant fans would have been a cool trick against anyone else, but against a god who can redirect the wind on a whim?


The point is that the sandstorm/wind will only hurt his team ... all my guys are protected against it.... it doesn't really matter who is causing the wind.

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Techno Organics are still largely mechanical (even if the parts are microscopic) and they still run on electricity.

That's not overly important though, it knocks out all his weapons and teleporters and stuff.

My two telepaths >> his single telepath

Psylocke or Mimic >>>>> Iceman (especially now that Mimic has telepathy)

Quasar's shields can repel most of Thor's attacks easily as well:

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Note the hammer bouncing off the shield like a tennis ball.

Brawling will get Thor nowhere and Quasar is far better fighting with energy than Thor is.

And you still haven't posted anything to say how Thor will cope with being blind for the match:

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Simple energy constructs can hurt Thor... a fully armoured Quasar will knock the crap out of him (Quasar is an accomplished martial artist and trained SHIELD agent)

Remembering that this time Quasar is armoured, he wont be worried about being struck with the hammer at all (especially since Thor can't see anyway)


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So we have a sand storm to blind my team, which can be cancelled out by Thor? No blinding storm of sand.

We have Quasars bands and Thors hammer, energy absorbtion isn't going to be getting anywhere, and I never stated Thor was letting go of his hammer at all. Quasar may be better at the range, but upclose, he is outmatched in fighting ability.

If Cables arm runs on electricty where does he get it from? He plug into a outlet from time to time to get a full charge? No electricy, the EMP isn't working. On his weapons, his guns? Those don't use electricty either. Not to mention, there are shields for that. Yep, the same things your team is hiding behind. I have those too.

No where did I mention any team member using tech equipment for ANYTHING.

We have no sand blowing around due to Thor cancellation of the matter. This leaves an overly dense fog, which should have plenty of moisture in the air and enough limited visibility for Batman again to sneak around with Batgirl and some added help.

Now with a nice dense fog that should give plenty of moisture for Bobby to travel through, sort of like teleportation. This should allow him to easily move through out the fog and reform himself behind opponents to make them a good solid brick of ice and allow Batman and Batgirl to use a few well placed explosive batarangs.

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