Prove to me that what Surfer happened to be thinking at the time has any scientific merit.
The fact that Surfer has been beaten on by Thanos, Gladiator, Durok, Skreet, Lunatic, Hulk, Quasar, Thor, Odin, Loki and many others proves that he does not have "nano second" reaction times.
Scoob, your argument against Surfer doesnt hold, you could say that about Superman being hurted by people, assuming he does not have lighting fast reflexes. Its called PIS.
Explain why would he have a reference to a explicit "nanosecond" instead of any other time frame, people just dont think about the word nanosecond when referring time, it was obviously intended to make a speed reference. In my opinion, you are better off trying to argue that Quasar has also super speed than trying to dismiss the same ability in the surfer.
Surfer being beaten by hulk
If surfer is beaten by most of the guys you mentioned is because heīs not fighting at his best and you know it, or its the worst piece of writing iīve ever saw.
Odin is skyfather level, nothing surfer can do to him will do any harm.
And once again ... how fast do you really think a guy can travel within a 20 mile square, indestructible, battlefield before he smashes his head open on the walls?
i didnīt said that it was bad writing if he lost to anypne blow skyfather. Thanos is not skyfather and he beat surfer.
i meant if the likes of hulk can beat surfer it is bad writing
Surfer doenīst move all the time at his maximum speed, but he can, and his giving everything he has in this fight.
Your mind attacks wonīt do much, its psylocke and mimic with 50% of a tecnho organisc cable (not god like) thats probaly even less then psylocke.
I showed a scan where surfer withsand a moondragon tp attack with the mind gem, donīt think tp will do much to surfer int his fight.
not to mention he beat god-like cable
Scoob, if he was able to think up the word nanosecond it could actually imply that he is much faster than the nanosecond: Able to think before actually acting. Super fast thought, I guess you have that when you go speedester.
I insist, you are defending what to me is a wrong point.
Beat on ... as in hit ... many times.... Hulk can hit Surfer = Surfer does not have near instant reaction times.
Surfer is weak in physical fights.
Much like he did while fighting fo rthe fate of the Universe ... against Quasar .... where he couldn't beat him and was hit many, many, times ... by Quasar.
Which means Quasar = at least the same speed as surfer.
hey're not supposed to do much, just distract the Surfer which is plenty when going against someone as powerful as Quasar .... who Surfer wasn't able to beat before.
You showed a scan which pointed to the fact tht immediately prior to it Surfer had been under Moonstones control for some time.
Cable never mentally attacked Surfer during that fight..... and Cable is nowhere near as powerful as Quasar.
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Surfer cannot move anywhere near full speed within this, small, battlefield.
Surfer isn't any faster than Quasar to begin with.
Surfer's head will be a little muddled by my telepaths.
Surfer will be trapped for a while.
Quasar can withstand galactus' energy blasts = Surfer wont be penetrating his armour.
Quasar will get in close when fighting and force a H2H situation where he will have a large advantage.
withsand galactus doensīt mean it canīt be destroyed, my IW woman shields also withsand galactus.
Speedsters normally think faster, it has been stated many times, flash for exemple this way faster then anyone in JLA.
AS surfer does in that scan. He has been showed thinking and using tp at such speeds.
Just because surfer lets hulk give him a punch that doensīt mean he can dodge it.
I wansīt comparing god-like cable to quasar only that he is a superior tp then anyone you have in that team. If cable could beat surfer trough tp he would have done so, yet he lost, no matter what everybody will say, god-like cable lost to surfer, and lost only when surfer wanted, has shown in the battle he could have end it anytime he wanted.
About the moondragon feat, he was able to withsand it and it is with mind gem, i donīt see psylocke and mimic causing a trouble they are no wear near moon with mind gem
Once again, as Surfer is fighting Quasar, the TP attack is only there to distract/irritate him ... if he takes his attention away from Quasar to "deal with it" then he'll lose, if he doesn't then he'll be slowed down because of it, which will also lead to him losing.
GL Cable never once mentally attacked Surfer so that comic has absolutely no relevance in this situation.
And again, Surfer has proved to be no faster than Quasar in a fight.
you donīt know that. and iīm saying the tp wonīt bother him since he already withsand greater tp attacks, those will be easy to block. And if your telepaths focus on surfer, the rest of my team will have an advantage, if mimic and psylocke are distracted attacking surfer, they will more easily go down.
This match will end early Monday morning. So with any last bit of debating and last minutes votes, be sure to get it in tonight.
The next match will be "Typhus vs Roldz", set to go tommorow. The fight will take place in the French Alps. The battlefield size will be 30 x 30 square miles.
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Last edited by Evangel94 on Jan 15th, 2007 at 01:24 AM
First, I've stuck to my opening strategy through the whole match while Loot has been forced to alter his a few times.
This is important because it shows that his plan wont work and will throw his team into disarray.
He's relying on Surfer to fight Quasar, cover his team in force fields, find/kill Psylocke, fight off psi-attacks, heal his team, telepathically link his team (which isn't even possible), manipulate holograms, carry teammates around, fire energy blasts, create more shields on the fly ... and some other stuff too.
Now, yes, Surfer can do all those things, but not at the same time and not when fighting Quasar who is of equal or greater power than the Surfer.
He's claiming superior speed is pretty much all Surfer needs to win the whole match by himself..... which is illogical as Quasar has shown plenty of times to be as fast as Surfer.
Surfer can fly at may, many, times lightspeed ... but the battlefield is only 20 miles across.... if he hits lightspeed at all he'll have less than a thousandth of a second before he smashes into an indestructible wall.... and that's only if he's at the farthest point from that wall.
This all means that he's limited to far less than lightspeed ..... which means he has no speed advantage over Quasar at all.
Surfer can't win a fight against Quasar with energy blasts as they would be easily blocked or absorbed, even an unarmoured Quasar can take energy blasts from Surfer without injury.... energy is Quasar's field of cosmic expertise.
The only real chance Surfer would have to inflict damage is to get physical.... something he has proved to be dreadful at..... and even then Quasar's armour can withstand any blow the Surfer would land.
Surfer is overtaxed, he's moving at sub light speeds and he will be caught by Quasar.
There's no way Surfer is easily breaking out of a force bubble composed of layered shielding, each stronger than the one shown above.
Surfer will not beat Quasar.
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I've explained a couple of times how and why the rest of my team will defeat the rest of Loot's "team" .... I say "team" as he seems to be completely dependant on the Sufer to carry him through the match.
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