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r2 was so great cause of anakins modifications .....he was normal droid till anakin got ahold of him....IMO...r2's role in PT was needed to explain why he was cool and unique..IMO which doesnt always pan out...lol
1. If any particular droid could have done it, why was the pilot so shocked, i.e. "That little droid did it!"
2. Not just the auto-pilot, c'mon. Perhaps he cools down the overheated ship so that the shields come up so that the droids don't capture Anakin so thate he can blast the reactor, shutting down the droids and saving the Gungans. So Artoo helps save an entire species! What more could you want?
3. Repitition or not, a save is a save.
4. 3PO is vital to the story, it's told through the droid's eyes. Since we're watching the story, 3PO is as vital as any other main character.
6. Well, his little rockets destroyed the super battle droids. And any destroyed battle droid is a good battle droid.
7. What more do you want. The pull was the save! Gee, save Padme & the unborn kids from falling lava. He failed to lower taxes and stop global warming! What a do-nothing droid. Sheesh.
But what about in the OT when he failed to "save" luke after being fried in the Death Star trench? He also failed to save Luke from the Wampa, Han from Boba Fett, Luke from losing his hand, Leia from breaking a nail, etc.
Last edited by chinabing on Jan 25th, 2007 at 02:39 AM
1. Still that was luck. There was no effort apart from not getting shot.
2. Perhaps, perhaps... That won't do.
3. True... we'll count that as one.
4. 3PO vital to the PT???? No way, he's not even there half of the time.
6. He saved only himself
7. Okay, a save. So that makes two in three movies.
OT performance list:
1. Making sure the death star plans get to Ob1 (chosing his own path across the desert, escaping Luke)
2. Finding the Princess (by his own initiative, no one asked him)
3. Saving the guys from the trash compactor
4. Delivering the Death Star plans intact
5. Helping Luke en even getting shot
6. Unselfishly scanning for Luke in the snow
7. Heating the Princess's chamber (not smart but shows initiative)
8. Maintenance to the X-Wing in the swamp
9. Overriding security systems on Cloud City
10. Fixing the unreparable hyperdrive
11. Helping Luke rescue Han (various actions)
12. Electrocuting an Ewok (makes him the people's hero)
13. Almost opening te bunker before getting shot on behalf of the Rebellion
Well, I'm sure I missed a few, but R2's a real hero in the OT. In the PT he is mere decoration.
Uh-uh. In Star Wars, there's no such thing as luck. R2 get's credit for saving the lives of everyone on that starship! The queen, the pilots, the jedi, the concubines, jar jar, everyone.
How many people does R2 have to save to satisfy you? He did just fine in the prequels.
How many??? I'm not talking quantity, I'm talking quality. R2 is not doing anything any of the other astromechs would be doing there if he wasn't shot. There is no R2 effort involved, he just does his job.
Well that's great, we WERE just talking quantity! That's why we both made up lists!
Saving the queen's starship could be seen as The Force, luck, chance, 'just doin' my job," R2 effort, and a combination of all. Why wasn't R2 blasted to piece at Geonosis by a random blaster bolt? Why wasn't R2 blasted apart by stormtroopers on the Death Star, at Bespin, the blockade runner, at the Theed Palace, etc.
R2 was most assuredly NOT doing regular droid effort when he saved the queen's starship. That he was not blasted apart when others were is kinda a moot point, and relegates his great effort into nothing special. The queen practically gave the droid a medal! The fact is the droid has the special ability of seemingly being able to avoid laserblasts!
He also saved Padme from the boiling lead, and w/Threepio saved Padme and her unborn children from the falling lava. So at least once in each prequel, he does a pre-save on Luke & Leia and pre-saves the galaxy too. Those actions *are* something special.
Only because he wasn't hit!!! That is very important, because any of teh droids could probably have fixed the shield if they weren't shot. So... R2 rescue is no R2 effort (which was always my point!)
The force???? He's no Jedi, he's a droid, not even a living thing.
I think that rescue is nothing more than the inciting incident that caused R2 to be in the picture. After all, they ran out of astromechs after that, so R2 had to be everywhere. Only THEN did he get noticed, but for what I have no idea. His true heroism is in the OT.
We don't know that! We don't know if any of the other could have fixed the shields. But R2 bypassed the hydrospanner to get to the luvial dampers and viola! fixed shields.
It WAS an effort! The pilot said "That lil droid did it!" The queen said "It is to be commended," and practically gave him a medal. That shows us this little droid went above and beyond the call of duty. I can't help you anymore.
You trust that fat pilot? It doesn't mean a thing, just because he's surprised doesn't mean a thing. We SAW what happened.
And because we don't know if any of the droid could have done it, we don't know if they couldn't. There's no reason to believe why ONLY R2 can make basic repairs to a ship... why the heck does everyone fly with astromechs then if they're no good.
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