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I think Dooku was himself first and Sith lord second.
The Sith have a history of trying to back stab one another. And the truth is, Dooku ALREADY DID try to betray Sidious in Episode II. The entire crux of the villain's plot for the entire prequel trilogy was spilled by Dooku to Obi-Wan in AOTC. Obi-Wan and Yoda waved it off as if Dooku just said it to mess with their heads.
What idiots.
This is a fault on Lucas's part. He made the good guys MORONS. The dude just told them the ENTIRE TRUTH about what was going on and his tip-off went disregarded. Rather than acknowledge this blunder, the characters just mosey along to Episode III, somehow miraculously aware that the Sith lord is in a high seat in the Senate (without kicking themselves for not listening to Dooku, mind you).
Dooku wasn't trying to lure Obi-Wan to the Sith. I think Dooku is intelligent and ambitious enough to have his own plans for the galaxy. He joins the Sith because tactically he knows Sidious has a darn good plan. He also knows that tactically Sidious NEEDS Dooku's political connections and prestige to gain support (Darth Maul was a mindless beast, a nobody). And when the time comes Dooku intends to pull the rug out from under Sidious.
Dooku doesn't want to DESTROY the Jedi. He will if they remain ignorant to change. But we know he'd rather re-structure them than destroy them. He could use a guy like Obi-Wan to shake the Order up. Obi-Wan's a perpetual grandson to him.
It really was a matter of who betrays who first? Dooku flirted with it in Episode II but his strokes weren't bold enough. Sidious did it to Dooku first.
Just think of how easy it could have been for Dooku to oust Sidious. If Dooku is the public leader and face of the Seperatists, and if the Seperatists win the War, at the end of the Day no one knows who Sith lord Darth Sidious was in the first place. If Dooku could have destroyed Palpatine he would have not only destroyed the Republic but would have also exhonerated himself of Sidious.
I think Dooku's FINAL OBJECTIVE (as intended) was to truly establish a new government commited to Totalitarian Capitalism. For the Jedi to be more free in their lifestyle and to not have to necesarily serve the government (hence the rebellious and liberal streak). Only question is, how on Earth does one overthrow the Republic? Enter Sidious, a man who seems to have similar ideals (No mention of an Empire or of the Confederacy being a smoke screen for it) and better yet, Sidious has just been friggin elected Chancellor. Dooku has met the ultimate collaborator. He will "be Tyrannus" so long as he can get this plan in motion. He's using Sidious to get his Confederacy. Sidious is using him to get his Empire. The prevailing issue is who can exhaust the use of the other first? Obviously Sidious was just a little more prepared.
Consider it logical reasoning. Consider it fan fiction. Consider it the most interesting and best angle to see it from. Eitherways its George's fault for making people like us have to think aloud about his character's motivations. What a writer.
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Also on the issue of Dooku's lightsabre fight in Episode III
Assuming the novel is not cannon, if you just watch Episode III's fight as it plays out, there's no reason to believe that Dooku had any plans for Anakin. From Dooku's point of view, his master simply told him "Hey come kidnap me, Palpatine. It'll be the grand culmination of the Seperatist Campaign. Finally the Republic will die and we the Seperatists will win."
All Obi-Wan and Anakin do is show up to stop him. Dooku defends himself from both and loses. Nothing more complicated. No luring Anakin to the Dark Side. Just some fighting. That's why he's completely blindsided by Palpatine's order for Anakin to kill him off. He's shocked. Now he sees it for what it was. Not just the kidnapping or the invasion, but the entire war. Why doesn't he blab the truth to Anakin? Cause the dude's probably in shock. Putting it all together.
Dooku's worn out his use. The war is almost over. Palpatine can pull the plug on the Seperatist army at any time. And he's strained the Republic enough to turn it into the Empire. He's got the Senate. His only remaining threat is the Jedi. So Anakin by now is tactically a better apprentice. He can destroy the Jedi from the inside.
Its all the same down the road when Vader wears out his welcome. By then the Rebellion is Palpatine's greatest threat. Strategically Luke is in a better position than Vader to destroy the Rebellion since he's their poster boy.
Its the way it was with Maul. Even if Maul would have survived you better believe Sidious would have taken him to the matresses. Maul was a hitman, muscle, a terrorist. On to the heavier politics. not Maul's bag. He needs a Dooku type of person. If Maul had survived, dont you think Sidious would have sent a little telegram to Dooku giving him the chance to curb stomp the guy that killed his best friend, Qui-Gon? Live or die, Maul was a dead man.
Palpatine would have easily convinced Anakin that that would be a trick. Remember that up to the point of Dooku's death there was no actual indication of Palpatine being the second sith of TPM. Anakin also probably assumed it was Dooku all along who was the master.
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If the Novel is Canon then how does one explain the consistant inconsistancies between not only the novel and the movie but the novel and other literature? Whose to say the novel is more canon than the Clone Wars cartoons?
Owen was Obi-Wan's brother in the novel. Is that canon too? Its a novel afterall.
The novel is written based off of the original shooting script which as we know changes throughout production and post-production. Lucas has up till release to change his film (yes even basic story elements). The novel has to be finished far in advance of that (just like the toys) to meet its own release. The only hope is that it still resembles the movie in some regard. The novel is not canon. None of the expanded universe is canon. None of it. Its just extra fun and games. Lucas said so himself. Anything he puts in the movies is the final say. He does not tiptoe around what the EU tries to "establish".
Dooku was pretty sure Anakin was too much of a Jedi to kill a defenceless person. He didn't betray Sidious as he presumed Sidious would arrange his release from custody at a later date. I think that's why he played along.
The real question for me: what did Dooku think the trap was actually meant to be...
I feel he was biding his time, learning dark side powers and waiting for the opportune moment to overthrow Sidious. A proud person would not be happy to be used as mere bait.
Last edited by Darth Bula on Oct 14th, 2011 at 07:47 PM
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