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She deflected the OE or OB which has been shown to be faster than light. ANd when did I say she reached faster than light speeds in flight? I did say she was able to move so fast that she was invisible to the white martians. so how fast do you have to be to do that?
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ORLY? IN JLA number 1 it clearly said that the white martians are as strong, tuff and fast as superman. ANd i'm not talking about thier speed anyway. i'm talking about thier senses. How fast do you have to be to be invisible to a white martians superior senses?
her deflecting the OE is PIS, but besides that the Omega beams arent light speed. Batman was able to dodge them(yes i know thats PIS aswell). If the OE travels at light speed, then heat vision can as well.
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actually heat vision should be as fast as light. It is light. ANd i think you are down playing how fast someone has to be to be invisible not only to the naked eye but to WHITE martians in an attempt to belittle the fact that WW was able to move that fast. Human beings can see light. So how fast do you have to be to able to be invisible on speed alone? Especially to the advanced senses of WHITE MARTIANS.
And yet we've seen Superman pwn groups of them? He even saved Diana from being drowned by one. White Martians don't have the feats Superman does. What was stated is obviously contradicted by what is shown. Superman>White Martians.
Their reflexes really aren't that great.
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Seemed like Protex was giving superman the what for until supers went were it was hot. Diana has also shown to be able to handle several martians. she even beat the crap out of primaid who was one of the best fighters. NOw white martians reflexes arent all that great becuz i'm trying to use them to prove a point. this is pointless. everythign i mention will be put down and then brought up later to use as proof of uberness for another character.
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martian manhunter can. So how fast do you have to be for him not to be able to see you? He could see Superboy prime as he flew towards oa. So just how fast do you have to be for a martian not to be able to see you. I want an answer becuz obvious WonderWoman has the ability to move many times faster than people want to admit.
No its not. do u think that is laser vision is as fast as flash?
Dude WW has never shown to display light speeds. Superman can fly light speeds, and we all know he's way faster than Diana. if anything ur over-playing Diana's abilities.
Batdude, just answered that question for me.
If she was traveling at light speed, which i highly dout it probably is a result of SMvFL
You do realize that Protex had Superman strapped up while being exposed to heavy amounts of kryptonite radiation before the fight even started... right?
Pwning groups of white martians is nothing Superman hasn't done before. He's done it quite a few times. It's not even worth mentioning because in groups, everyone beats them. Hell, even Batman and Krypto beat the shit out of a group of them.
No, I'm saying their reflexes aren't that great when compared to somebody like Superman because unlike you, I go by feats and what is actually shown in a comic rather than hyperbolic statements.
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HMM let's see. Reflexes of white martians. Zum was giving flash a hard time with his speed and reflexes until Flash used an IMP. Superman wasn't strapped to any kryptonite. It was an illusion. Once he broke out of it, the mental effects ran out. Now back to reflexes, They seem to give kyle and flash a good fight with thier " not so good" reflexes as you call them. I call it as I see it. Becuz I used the martians as a feat for WW you are downplaying them. I understand. it is done a lot. I do it to explain why Odin isn't so powerful becuz he couldn't beat Thanos outright. So I understand where your coming from. But from where I"m coming from, the white martians did show to be very tuff opponents. and I still wanna know how fast you have to be moving to go totally undetected by beings with superior senses. forget reflexes, they have superior senses.
I see my analogy was wasted when you replied to it.
I was referring to your point when you said human beings can see light. Well, that's true in a sense, however we see light waves bounce off of objects and not the objects themselves. We don't see light move, because it is too fast for our brains to comprehend. And even when we look at things, there is always a lag time between when it actually moves, and when our brain impulses pick up on it.
Why the hell are you using J'onn as a basis for comparison? On paper, white martians and J'onn are almost the same, but from what is actually shown, J'onn is far superior to them. In comics, I've seen J'onn struggle to perceive things MUCH slower than light. WW may be able to move at the speed of light. I won't take that away from her. However, Superman can move faster than that, and his reflexes are still superior. If you're going to use one time instances, then I might as well bring up the time Superman traveled a light hour in a few seconds. That means he had to be going around 3000 times the speed of light. Or how about the time he turned the endless wheels of Mageddon?
Superman beats Diana 7/10. Get over it.
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GOing by one time feats, Diana has deflected the power of the greek Pantheon and kIlled Gods. Her lasso held Hectate>>>>>>>Superman. He turned the wheels of mageddon but I seem to remember him strugging WITH diana on the Earth and the Spectre. seems to point to them being very very very close in strength. SUperman has also never shown to move faster than light While fighting. Only to get to a target or a destination. ANy way, i"ll just wait to see what Diana does in the NEWLY formed DC in her books and JLA. I'm sure there will be more feats for me to use.
And Batman has hurt Diana with a pressure point strike before...
How many friggin White Martians were attacking the League in Terror in Cognita? A LOT. Your logic is folly. You and I both know that Kyle is a lot more powerful than any one White Martian.
Senses are NOTHING in terms of perceiving objects without having good reflexes.
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Hey im just using what was put on paper. dont' fualt me. as far as senses, you don't need reflexes to percieve something. even tho the white martians do have super human reflexes. An olderman about 50 and I can both percieve a car about to run us over. I may have better reflexes, but both of us saw the same car coming. How fast was she moving to be UNDETECTED by white martians? Batman hurting Diana with a pressure strike is nothing. Diana has no durability. ( Isn't that how you down play feats?)
And Superman has beaten Dominus, and a number of other universal beings before.
You don't even have a point anymore. No matter how you slice it, Superman has feats that prove he is faster, stronger, more durable, has better reflexes, etc...
And of course he's more versatile.
Superman ftw 7/10.
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