I'm not sure you got all of it though. It's what you said, AND "it's been done in a very innovative and fresh way musically".
I'll tell you right now that I don't think Allen or MIA have what it takes to be as relevant over as long a period of time as The Pumpkins were...
But...as I said earlier about bands who have already been around a while maintaining relevance..."it means being a sponge and an antenna for what's goin on in the world (both musically and socially), AND at the same time managing to hold close to the peak of your artistic powers."
I think the Pumpkins, for as well as they've done in the past on the musical end of things, don't have their mojo anymore...the same goes for Rage. I don't think they'll offer anything new to the table or make a significant, fresh contribution to music today. So I think they're done.
Of course I can't prove that...the same way I can't "prove" that Sgt. Peppers was one of the most relevant albums in rock history, but I've learned to develop a sixth sense about this stuff...and if you are looking for some kind of proof, then just look at the track record of MOST bands in the past who have attempted to do the same...it's overwhelmingly been pretty bad.
That's as best as I can explain it.
Thanks for being patient.
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Last edited by EPIIIBITES on Feb 22nd, 2007 at 09:28 PM
But you just said that those artists (M.I.A and Allen) are relevant, partially because they speak about the now, which anybody could do. So in that sense, The Pumpkins and Rage can quite obviously be relevant to what's going on today.
That's one use of the word relevant, I'm not sure what nonsense you're talking about when you say being relevant by being innovative.
So wouldn't Rage be "innovative and fresh" because there style of music has basically died out?
And Rage has shown before they have artistic ability beyond the point of others. What keeps them from doing it again? Audioslave showed that Rage still had musical ability.
But, again, SP has shown the ability to adapt and thrive in changing times. Rage is still relevant in middle schools and high schools now, even though they haven't had a studio album in 6 years.
And Rage and Smashing Pumpkins aren't just "most" bands.
After looking back at my posts for the last guy...I can better see how you could think that.
Basically you're saying, I could've made the distinction and said...
..."I don't think Rage will ever write good music again"...
...which, according to me, doesn't have anything to do with being "relevant"...and wouldn't in fact make them a waste of time (as I appeared to suggest due to my usual bold and flippant tone).
Then fine. Right.
WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY WHAT I JUST SAID?
Still, there was the assumption however...Because I don't in fact think they will write good music, or make a fresh contribution, and I do indeed think they will be a waste of time...could've said that better though.
...an innovative and fresh contribution to the art of music...They can release an album full of fart noises if they'd want...and that could also essentially be different from their old sound or style.
And Audioslave showed that Audioslave had musical ability. But apart from that, musical ability does not a fresh and innovative contribution to music make.
Still, in terms of being relevant again, I do think these artists would have a better chance at not reuniting, but exploring more options and challenging themselves musically with other artists...like they've been doing. Didn't quite happen with Audioslave though. There was really no relevant music making there. They WERE Soundgarden meets Rage (which isn't the worst thing in the world)...but only after Soundgarden and Rage were relevant.
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Last edited by EPIIIBITES on Feb 22nd, 2007 at 10:16 PM
Ok. Then I won't bother explaining something for you when you ask. Thanks.
And it actually wasn't redundant...you made a lame point about them being fresh...simply because their music MIGHT be different than it was. And even still, you misundertood what "fresh" and "innovative" are referring to.
And you cited musical ability as some kind of connection to relevance.
I also thought I'd elaborate a bit to help you out.
You're a joker dude.
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