yes i understand your arguments for the first two buildings but ive been through those questions a 100 times and wont do so again. building 7 wasnt hit by a plane. and saying oil fires did it doesnt cut it
yeh you always say prove it. the proof is there if you look. ask the government to prove there version of events before you start pointing the finger at me.
lol from an outsider view im buckling. i assure you im not. i advised you to stop because you are sending us in circles.
absolute rubbish. more proof that you will believe anything.
the evidence is real. the towers fell too neat and too quickly. im not going over this again. i see you obviously have the time.
more rubbish. your flogging a dead horse now. someones in denial.
sure.i dont think you understand. bless.
im not bias. i want answers. you obviously dont question the government. im sure you will say that you do. what do you question them about exactly? im excited to hear
you are ignorant .you cant see the two differences of people in photographs. you argue everything because of ignorance. because you cant face what it will mean. waste of space you are
yeh ok. prison planet is the only website out there. id be suspicious of a government when all the evidence points towards them being the culprits. have you heard about 'operation northwoods'? or the 'project for the new american century'? read it.
twisted in your opinion because you want to believe otherwise. therefore the info i post must be twisted. sure
no he woudnt be in jail. god you just dont get it at all do you?
next
wrong again. it wont leak out fast at all. not if they dont want it too and they control the people at the top of the pyramids. you are clueless of how the system works.
what hard evidence doyou have to prove otherwise? see?
dotn talk to me about logic
no it cant, NOT IN THAT AMOUNT OF TIME. oh wait..sorry, it was oil fires..how stupid of me. i can sleep at night now.
theres holes in everything. we have to read until we make up our own minds about what is happening in the world. you can press all you want, and as long as you keep saying ''fire can bring down a modern building within a coupleof hours'' then i will continue to ignore it has best i can as i would ignore a child making silly statements.
open you eyes and measure the speed of the drop. you are not blind are you? oh wait..
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when you ask the average person in the street what happened on 9/11 then they will tell you what the government preaches. thats what is called the official version.
votes are bulletproof? idiotic statement of the day. presidents are not elected, its an illusion to fool the people that they actually have free choice. they dont. presidents are selected. the farce that was bush and kerry...both were related,(bloodline) and both members of skull and bones. surprise surprise. there are a few hundred initiates of the skull and bones society alive at any one time and some 295 million Americans; but somehow this secret society managed to supply both candidates at a 'free' election. The illuminati couldn't lose. whatever the result they would have had their guy in the white House, and bush and kerry would have simply pursued the same course using different rhetoric to kid the people that they did have a choice. terms like republican and democrat, labour and conservative etc, are masks on the same face. ITS A FUKIN CON. WAKE UP.
''The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.' - Joseph Stalin
if people still think it is worth voting in todays rigged system (I dont), then let us vote for what we believe is right and not only for what we believe is right for us materially, in the short term.
[b]''The machines were provided by Bush-supporting corporations that also counted the votes! Among them was Diebold Inc. of North Canton, Ohio.
Its chief executive, Walden O'Dell, was a top fundraiser for the Bush campaign who wrote a year earlier that he was 'committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president... 'It must have been entirely a coincidence that somehow Ohio managed to record 90,000 more votes than it has registered voters!''
yes thats what appears to be true on the outside! look deeper. britain left the bloodline in place over in america. thats why 35 out of the 42 presidents are related to british and other european kings and such. britain appeared to give indepence back toamerica and these other countrys but what really happened is they left the power in place and they can continue to pull the strings secretly behind the scenes. investigate further dark c. you are parroting official nonsense.
so if he doesnt know how to run a country..why is he in power? surely they can select someone to act better? because thats all these presidents d..they act. if you dont follow orders you get eliminated. like when kennedy said no to operation northwoods( document created by usa stating they should bomb there own county and blame it on forign enemys..cuba at the time) sound familiar? im not saying thats the only reason he got eliminated because there is obviosuly more to it
there is no loveinthe world. only hate. the world is full of prejudice.
People are conditioned to be prejudiced against other members and groups within each culture and society, and these different forms of prejudice are used to divide and rule the herd. The prejudice may be racial, religious or political, or based on background, income, job or lifestyle. Either way you have different aspects of society conditioned to instinctively ridicule, oppdse and condemn the views and life experiences of each other. And the prejudice is rarely only one way. Those who see themselves as victims of prejudice are so often prejudiced themselves against other people, lifestyles and groups. This allows the manipulation of the mass consciousness to flourish and yet if we stopped seeking to impose our version of right and wrong, good and bad, moral and immoral upon each other, we would remove the means for such global manipulation. We need to let go of all prejudice
precisely right..the controllers dont want a peaceful world as you can see. they want one where there is constant strife. is it a mere coincidence that huge figures such as ghandi, MLK, john lennon, who all spreadmessages of love and peace, wud get killed? they had huge followers and they was very influential. but that cant do can it. no they must go. the peaceful must die and the wicked must reign. open you eyes friend. as we are all in this together.
they must divide and rule the masses into dogmas and factions - the Elite know that is where the real power lies.
sure
yeh he is dumb and a joke so the best thing to do obviosuly is voth him in again. that tells me that either the majority of people in america are idiots, or that the voting was rigged. or still both.
yeh because a few cia created caveman can hit all there targets within a hour and norad does absolutly nothing to stop it. yeh theres obviosuly nothing fish going on. oh i know why norad stood down, they were having similar drills at EXACTLY THE SAME TIME. they were confused is all. you dont think that was the plan right from the start do you? to confuse them?
hold on..drills at exactly the same time..that sounds familiar..didnt the same thing happen at oklahoma and london? what are the odds ay. ..lots of numbers..lets put it that way.
of course its stupid. we get it
fukin bullshit. blowin up two towers has set the nwo in full swing. its got them into wars for gods sake. its got the pissants in power saying' oh we need to take your freedoms away because the ''terrorists ''might get you..we need to put more camera's up..we might need to microchip you in the future hmm hmm. oh dark c..if you knew of the upcoming wars with iran and china..the reaction will be..''oh mr president sir..how can we stop such wars happening again!!? please do something mr president sir!'' then comes the reply..' ok i wont blow up any more buildi...err i mean the best thing would be for a world government, world bank, world army underpinned by a microchip population so we can control everyones move..its for your benefiit!..
and it will happen i guarentee unless people pull there heads out of there ass's and wake up
they wont state so openly untili ts time. one more big manipulated war should do it..you might understand one day
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It seems that every conspiracy theorist forgets that a Boeing 767 Jet Airliner smashed into each tower at around 550 miles per hour.
The impact, combined with the subsequent burning of the jet fuel inside the towers (at around 1800 degrees f) for approximately forty minutes would surely compromise the structural integrity of the towers.
Sure, the towers were built well, but there isn't a skyscraper on earth that could withstand an impact of that force.
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That would be the force of millions of tons of steel and concrete pancaking onto other floors. It's as if you expected no debris at all.
So, what are you proposing? That the bottom part of the towers simply disappeared, allowing the top floors to come crashing down at free-fall speed?
First of all, there were huge chunks of steel and concrete at ground zero; fine dust is a huge exaggeration, to say the least.
There was, however, an abundance of relatively (emphasis on relatively) small pieces of debris. To explain this, we must take into account the location where the collapse began. Each tower was hit on a relatively high floor; As the collapse began, we see that these top floors sandwiched the floors below, exerting huge amounts of pressure on the lower floors as it collapsed. Millions of tons of steel and concrete falling hundreds of feet will surely break up... what did you expect, an entire portion of the building intact? Millions of tons of materials fell hundreds of feet, crushing other debris as it landed on top of it.
Here, Deano, you've blatantly contradicted yourself. You said before the buildings were smashed to "fine dust," yet there was obviously big enough pieces of debris to allow the analysis of an impact hole.
Also, the idea that an impact hole would survive a fall of hundreds of feet under dozens of floors above it is very hard to believe. Did you expect a perfect outline of a 767 in the side of a huge piece of steel, laying conveniently on the ground for easy observation?
Those pictures are of such low quality, that the "pod" could be anything; it could be light reflecting off the belly of the plane, a discrepancy in the lens of the camera; it could be anything. And, if the dimensions you provide are in fact true for this alleged "pod," what secret could the big bad U.S. government contain in a 60 foot long, one and a half foot wide steel pod, hidden in plain sight under the belly of the plane? Those pictures can hardly be used as evidence.
The plane in that picture certainly looks like a Boeing 767 to me, what plane do you think it was Deano?
I haven't seen the video, and I won't sit here for two hours watching it. I'll let someone who has seen the video comment on it.
And finally, I'm done posting in this thread. People have differing opinions; no amount of e-arguing will change one's opinion, so I will not be posting any more in this thread.
Besides, the entire topic depresses the hell out of me.
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Once again, it is neither up to you or any government to decide what is "official" and what is not. It's what individuals believe from what the government says. Some believe your so-called "official" version, some believe it with twists, and some, like you...not at all. Up to the individual.
First of all, there is a thing called 'democracy'.
Here's a test. Which country is more democratic, the US of A or Canada? Correct answer: Canada. In our government here, it's our Prime Minister that has far too much power, especially if he gets a majority vote in Parliament. Brian Malroney and the GST law, for example, he basically rammed it down our throats.
On the other hand, George Dubya is sitting in a crossfire. He's what as commonly known as a "lame duck" president, he can't do any of his shit right now because the other branches of the US government will be pretty pissed off. If your 'bloodline' nonsense did have the extent of espionage and internal power roots that you just described, he'd have been able to pass whatever and whenever at the moment. Has he? No. He's flat on his ass right now as the president of the US.
Let's suppose for a moment that you're right about the bloodline theory. If indeed royalty in the genes than anything decided the outcome of this election, then it would be Kerry, not Bush, sitting in the Oval Office right now. Kerry, not Bush, who would be voting to continue the War on Terrorism, and Kerry, not Bush, making and passing the laws in the United States.
Last time I checked, George was still in office. Your theory? Down the drain.
You're assuming again, forming wild and unchecked theories relating to groups that even if they exist, are far too secret to let some kind of plan of theirs out especially to the everyday conspiracists like you. Everything you're spouting right now is just theory, and theories can be disproven.
Let's look at the situation. The States have had Bush in office for quite a while now, he's done his thing and trashed his own World Trade Center towers, giving him an excuse to start a war. He has familial ties that trace back, although faintly, to the Crown. However, along comes Kerry, he's actually more intricately weaved into the bloodline and is even more of a puppet than Bush is. Technically, he would serve the Skulls and Bones/Illuminati (Which is it?) better as in terms of their goal to establish a totalitarian government to *maniacal voice* take over ze WORLD.
See, the thing is, the Illuminati has always had power in the fictions. If they had this kind of power it would have been beyond easy to seat Kerry, who happens to lack intelligence in the field of politics even more than Bush, in the Oval Office.
''The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.' - Joseph Stalin
Another 'patriot' spout of false zeal. Sorry, but I am unconvinced and unmoved.
1.) You can either reply or don't reply, so if it seems like a waste of your time then that's your own business, not mine.
2.) Every piece of evidence of how the election actually went reflects the "wrong" result. And, after the election is over, the vote stealing software can delete itself. There's no evidence left that the vote has been conducted incorrectly.[/i]
From a technical standpoint, it is undeniably possible to tilt the elections during the time this article was written. However, if they were 'hacked', and so 'easily', it would mean that every single person who helped tally the votes would have to be patted down and had polygraph tests.
The Diebold voting systems are a closed source, meaning that it is impossible to establish integrity, either good or nonexistant, simply by looking at the tallies.
Quite interesting that you are informed of how to dupe a machine as an insider, yet fail to acknowledge the fact that it can be just as easy from an outsider's standpoint.
I've studied American History, thank you very much. Were you not aware that there was a bloody and violent war because America, like the slackers they are, ran away from Britain without getting permission like his kid brother Canada did.
Are you aware of how ridiculous-sounding that statement is? Of course the presidents would have some ties to some King or Queen or other in ancient history. A whopping 60% of the US population with British roots, sixty, are related distantly in some way to British royalty. Let's face it, there's been a huge, huge extended family of that. Absolutely massive. Thanks again, Mr. Obvious.
No, they're still bound under law and penalty to stay the hell out of North America's business. You're still spouting theory, I'm asking for HARD FACTS. Not just some half-baked reasoning. PROVEN FACTS.
If I'm parroting nonsense then you're spouting fetid water left, right, center, and straight up.
Kerry was the better choice, or 'actor' for the sake of argument.
Why isn't he in office?
That doesn't make sense. The government of the States is situated in such a way that they can actually veto the President's veto, in this case Operation Northwoods. And I'm pretty sure an underground group would have the brains to insert more than just a president in the US government.
Another thing that doesn't add up was that the information was released by a government corporation, and in 1997, a scant four years before 9/11. Smart thing to do there if they're trying to cook up a conspiracy plan.
Spoken like a true emo. Duly noted.
Yes, it is more of a coincedence, you're naming three of about a million. And most of those people are still alive. You are just far too paranoid.
The suggestion that every single one of them was murdered just for promoting peace is a slice I can't swallow. More assumptions, more theory.
You say that now when you've been preaching a NWO. How ironic. More self-contradiction by the one and only Deano.
No, he was the best out of a very poor choice. He was stupid. Kerry's policies were even stupider. Ask any Canadian who's caught up in current events in America and they would have said "Bush." I personally went "FOUR MORE YEARS?!"
And my friend shook his head and asked me, "Do you even know what Kerry was suggesting?"
What the f*cking hell makes you think that NORAD, in its infant stages and under everyday bug and glitch repairs and gives seventeen minutes notice, not just 'under an hour', SEVENTEEN BLOODY MINUTES, to counter something like, oh I dunno, four airliner jets going separate directions?
At least a few people who were manning it were screaming "OMFG!", tearing their hair out, because there isn't exactly too much they can do. They have seventeen minutes, that's about enough to roll a FC-18 out onto the tarmac, start down the runway, and OOPS! Too f***ing late!
Bombings aren't exactly done the same way as crashing planes into the WTC towers, are they? Bullshit claims.
"Full swing", it was already gradual and would have happened within a decade. NATO, UN, even the World Health Organization, all those pretty much were at the State's feet before this 9/11 mess happened. A self-caused 9/11 wouldn't have helped, it would have actually made it worse. Where's your common sense?
Why? It gives an excuse for conspiracists to start sowing their ideas, wild as they want, accusatory as they want, like wildfire in summer. Not a smart thing to do. Conspiracists weren't nearly to the surface as they are now. They can't curb this tide, it's like trying to fight off an ocean with a broom.
Can you please back up your statements, for the love of all that is HOLY....
Rick Mercer's view of events...duly noted, thank you.
what we call official is the so called truth of what happened on 9/11. and that supposed truth is that bin laden orchestrated 9/11. thats what is the official truth parroted by the mainsream media and politicians a like. that is what most people belive even though there is no evidence to back it up.
bullshit. democracy is illusion.
dark c you get so caught in this irrelevant tripe, as if your vote will change anything.
you have accepted en masse that democracy is another word for freedom. Like hell it is. Democracy is not freedom, it is a dictatorship camouflaged as freedom. The same force controls, directly or indirectly, every major political party and movement. It created most of them. When you vote at an election, you are choosing between different aspects of the same force. The money and the media decide who becomes president of the United States and the money and the media are owned and controlled by the same people.
Let us write the following in letters 20 feet high: Democracy Is Not Freedom. 30 people telling 49 what to do is not freedom. In fact, most
governments are elected by a minority of the population and they still call it a “democratic” election. Freedom is the right of all people to express who they are, what they think, and how they wish to live their lives: free from imposition or hassle from anyone. It is to be able to celebrate our individual uniqueness without rules, regulations, ridicule and condemnation from those who seek to impose their view of life upon the rest of us.
Until we respect our own, and everyone’s, right to be different, to make our own choices, and create our own conscious realities free from imposition and pressure to conform, we will remain in a prison of our
own making. We will continue to be both the policeman and the prisoner. And a handful of people with a deeply unpleasant agenda will continue to run the world. The choice, as always, is ours. We can accept the prison or we can walk out to freedom.
he is a puppet. he cant pass what ever he wants because he is NOT in any control whatsover. things have to be done ever so slooooooooooooowly, so that the people accept more losse's of freedom. look up 'totalitarian tiptoe'
they chose bush because he fits in perfectly as the dumb president who dont know what he is doing. they didnt want the change. What we are seeing is Bush being used to front a plan to exploit American troops and
resources to advance the agenda for global conquest while, in doing so, destroying the usa as a financial and military superpower. they want to engineer an eventual conflict with china in pursuit of this goal.
'Yeah, but why do you think the people wanted Bush more than Kerry? Was it because Kerry's a liberal and soft on terror, or ...?'
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!! STFU
The Bush family is also descended from Vlad Dracul, or Vlad the Impaler, the 15th century ruler of a country called Wallachia.
they have to let it out eventually. it has to break the surface at some point. Whenever a hidden agenda is about to be implemented there is always the period when the hidden has to break the surface for the final push into physical reality. this is what we are seeing now in the explosion of mergers between global banking and business empires, and the speed at which political and economic control is being centralised through the european union, the united nations, the world trade organisation. they dont care if someone like Congressman Larry P. McDonald in 1976 says:
''The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining super capitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."
or David Rockefeller:
"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
they know that the majority wont hear this information because of media control, and if they did anyway, they wouldnt have a clue what it meaned. and if they did, they would still say ''ahh but it wont happen,..if it does, who cares, you cant do anythign about''
as ive said before..the foundation of that control has always been the same: keep the people in ignorance, fear and at war with themselves. Divide, rule and conquer while keeping the most important knowledge to yourself
THATS THE MENTALITY..
again you REFUSE to listen..he didnt trash the buildings..god why do i bother. they kept bush for reasons explained above.
not my problem
not as simple as you put it. they could change the votes easily. if it is on computer, then they computer would count the votes from whateva memor card is in the machine.
rubbish.
its easy to dupe a machine. the point is that in a democracy, it is dangerous to have electonic voting.
yes you have studied the official american history. in 10 years time, in the new history books there will be great chapters on how bin laden blew up the towers and the courageous geroge bush and tony blair united to stop this evil...
well most know the official 9/11 story to be bullshit. but bin laden blowing up the towers will still go down in the history books
see my point?
you know anyone who has ties to european kings or queens? try and find one. you probably wont..but go into politics and WHOA..they are all there
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yes but where are your hard facts? hard facts are whatever you make of them
i dont think he was the better choice for the elite.
the fact they they wrote a document saying they should kill people to advance there agenda, is worrying enough. but dont worry, it was way back then, we have loving people in the government now
they dont care. documents like this can leak out. they know not many people will take any notice of it...well havethey?
yeh im an emo..sure.
three HUGE people. people who were so influential that the whole world could of been changed by there words. but they got shot. all a coincidence. we get it.
it was a lot more than that. for reasons explained above. the elite want divide and rule. you cant have massive figures trying to change all that.
im sorry, you have lost me there. what am i being contradictory about?
out of all the americans..there wasnt one person who could make a difference? kinda makes me wonder if they deliberatly put bush up against someone more stupid on purpose.
i dont buy it. they were DELIBERATLY confused. among other factors
(9:26 a.m.): Cheney Given Updates on Unidentified Flight 77 Heading toward Washington; Says ‘Orders Still Stand’
[b]According to some accounts, Vice President Cheney is in the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC) below the White House by this time, along with Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta and National Security Adviser Rice. Mineta says that, while a suspicious plane is heading toward Washington, an unidentified young man comes in and says to Cheney, “The plane is 50 miles out.” Mineta confers with Acting FAA Deputy Administrator Monte Belger, who is at the FAA’s Washington headquarters. Belger says to him, “We’re watching this target on the radar, but the transponder’s been turned off. So we have no identification.” According to Mineta, the young man continues updating the vice president, saying, “The plane is 30 miles out,” and when he gets down to “The plane is 10 miles out,” asks, “Do the orders still stand?” In response, Cheney “whipped his neck around and said, ‘Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?’ http://newsmine.org/archive/9-11/no...-down-order.txt
bulslhit. When a small private plane recently entered the 23-mile restricted ring around the U.S. Capitol, two F-16 interceptors were immediately launched from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away. In a similar episode, a pair of F-16 "Fighting Falcons" on 15-minute strip alert was airborne from Andrews just 11 minutes after being notified by the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD)
proof they can do it. but like i say. there were many factors involvved
yeh but if the same people are responsibe for the same attacks, then it makes sense.
no it helps advance the agenda..seriously are you blind?
yes anyone who speaks a different truth is a conspiracy nut..we get it already.
i have. but lets say i didnt but then i did. would you still listen? no you would find some other way around it as usual.
truth is a good movement to join dont you think?
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once again Deano you have done a great job of taking these people to school and educating them.well done. sad that they still live in denail and accept all those lies and BS from the government though and dont want to learn the truth.really pitiful.
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sad that they still live in denail and accept all those lies and BS from the government though and dont want to learn the truth.really pitiful.
