Well Replikon didn't have Diana's skill or experience, I recall.
In any event, I know for a fact that Rucka felt that with her skills, Diana had a very slight edge on Superman 1v1. I don't feel that Sacrifice clearly showed Superman had the advantage, though it did show he was more powerful (which Rucka had always said). But it also didn't show that Diana had a clear advantage--or was necessarily even equal. To this day I have no idea why. Maybe editorial got involved, as I said.
He has a power edge. No one, including Rucka, has ever disputed that. But he didn't actually put her permanently down in Sacrifice. So while I can't give Diana the unambiguous win, I can't give it to Superman either.
Wonder Woman accomplished even less. Superman wasn't even knocked down at the end. How did you even give her a win? She did essentially this and then negated Lord's TP. Did Batman win here too?
Oh, no, of course not. But stuff that leads to breaking mind control can be- like, say, if she'd immobilized him with her lasso, it'd be a win. Or, of course, cutting his throat.
I don't think 'has his throat cut and has to hold both his hands over his neck until the wound closes,' is particularly 'ambiguous.'
I mean, 30 seconds of bleeding, unable to use arms to defend, and she still has the tiara, rather leaves a few seconds of 'so koed that Superman can't even get close enough to attack before she recovers,' in the dust, doesn't it?
Skill and a magic tiara, on the other hand...
Her blows, in turn, hurt him enough that when coming out of a crater he was limping and holding his side, his ears were bleeding.... and then she cuts this throat. Total damage tally: A broken wrist, some burns, and a second out in exchange for hurt leg, bruised ribs, bleeding ears, and cut throat. It's not actually hard to argue Superman got the worst of it.
What you should take from that is, "When these two are serious, they both hurt. Because a fight between two powerhouses at this level, no holding back? Is a brutal, bloody thing."
(You should also take from it, 'these two are resilient/fast recovering as heck,' because they both went right back to heroing and an hour later Diana was fighting a trio of Alpha-level OMACS- the ones meant for herald level enemies, and didn't even show signs of fatigue.)
It is funny how you ignore half the fight to get your conclusion, Superman was pretty heavily messed up himself, and the fight had clear parts where each of them was winning. Superman in the sky, Wonder Woman on the ground, and Wonder Woman again in Max's castle.
To put it in MMA terms, three round fight, first round to Superman with a solid down but no finish, WW recovers in the second round and wins that one, and then WW won the tiebreaker with a devastating hit out the gate that left Supes unable to properly defend himself.
Sacrifice was that good kind of comic fight- One that made both combatants look good. Superman clearly showed superior power and flight speed, but WW had skill and close-in ability, and the hard-to-apply but potentially insta-win power of her artifacts.
Your stance still ignores the results of the actual fight
Sacrifice was an event comic approved at the highest levels by one of DC's top writers who's outcome was a cornerstone to the event. Pull the other one
And specifically was Superman not holding back, plus had him fighting using his powers well. Opening move- Blitz into the sun while heatvisioning! On here, that only happens with CIS-off bloodlusted! So it's not like it was even holding-back Superman. of the kind CM has stalemated. Overly aggressive, yes, and that cost him, but fighting using his powers very well, he wasn't mindless range or losing any of his skill.
You can make all the excuses you want, but what was there was there, and your attempts to argue otherwise by literally just ignoring half the fight are as laughable as ever
Oh, you claim that's an Elseworld without any kind of proof, right. Superman was immobilized and she broke the mind control. Superman did the same to wonder woman in JLA annual but that's not a win. Double standards anybody?
That didn't even made him stop talking? Yeah, that was pretty straightforward.
30 seconds of bleeding and unable to use his hands? Did you receive some special copy where he was unable to use his hands? The wound didn't even made him stop talking FFS.
While he was in his right mind? Yeah, this happened.
He was never limping and she sucker shotted him on the ears. With a magical tiara. Hahaha. Her attacks weren't even slowing him down. At one point she punched him and all it did was move his head. Superman punched her and KTFO her and sent her across solar system.
Except one is fighting like an idiot and punched her only once that KTFO her. The other is throwing all but kitchen sink at him and it barely slowed him down. Except one is a powerhouse by which all superheroes are measured and the other is a wimp.
And how's that relevant?
Except cutting superman's throat with a magical tiara isn't something particularly impressive. A normal human can do it. Superman received no particular damage from anything else she did.
Wonder Woman didn't win shit, she kicked superman down, called some bird and ran away like a ***** and then cut his throat as a hail mary and that didn't even knocked him down and then she broke the mind control.
Sacrifice was a POS story that made no sense at all, shit on continuity (Max lord went from a cyborg to normal human without any explanation) and made both superman and wonder woman look like shit.
You're essentially making your own comic. But hey, you said wonder woman won in Superman 211.
The same writer who wrote such a marvelous story as Blackest Night: Wonder Woman and wrote one of the wimpiest superman ever.
He only punched her once. His holding back or not holding back is irrelevant. Yup, HVing clouds while you are breaking the bones of your opponent is such a clever tactic.
Yup, you are just as delusional as ever. But tell us more about how wonder woman is nearly as durable as superman or how she won against superman in superman 211.
Don't see anything wrong with Q99 post. You all are just seeing the fight from a different stance/perspective which means your argument doesn't hold weight over what she is saying. If she thinks WW had the advantage, then oh well...looking at her argument, I can see why she thinks that. If you think Superman held the advantage, then oh well, I can see where you get your stance from as well. You are not the god of FACTS ABHIGAIL. She voiced her opinion, so leave if be.
As for the fight, Wonder Woman can win...she has the potential and the tools to win.
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Abhi, shut the **** up. You're || this close to getting banned, so really, if you want to get banned, then keep at it.
And this is coming from someone that actually thinks using Sacrifice doesn't actually help Wonder Woman debaters as much as some might think. She did well against Superman, true, but she still lost imo. Her killing Lord is proof of that to me.
Carver, stay out of it. Backseat modding isn't your strong suit.
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