I do like both, all the star wars movies are great, the clone wars show was good hope the cg version is good too. and the TV live action show is good.
star trek is good too the original and next generation, DS9 wasn't good till the war (there is that word WAR) with the dominion. and voyager sucked the whole way with captain helium, Jeri Ryan added some eye candy to it but nothing to make me watch it religously? and I did enjoy enterprise until they butchered the final episodes to end it quick.
the best episode of that one is in the mirror darkly, the alternate universe 2 part episode, with the war (there's that word again) with the rebels.
Is there really going to be a live action star wars show? I mean i know there are respectable sites saying that it is due out in 2009, but lucas and company have done nothing but deny this. I thought he there was just going to be two one hour tv movies. Has there been anything that has come from lucas industries saying there is going to be a live action tv show?
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The PT was just as good as the OT in my opinion, let me ask you this exanda kane. Do you own the PT? if not then you can say that Lucas bothced it. if you do own it you can't say he botched cause obviously you liked them enough to buy them.
i am a star wars fan and , even if i don't like star trek , i recognize a few things.
star wars in a "heroic-fantasy-space opera" , star trek is a sort of "space-opera" , this is very different , and as so , it would be rather curious to compare the two , like comparing Songoku (dragonball ) and super man ...you cannot compare two things that have only a fews things in common (in this case, for SW and ST , space ships and aliens...) but a big bunch of differences:
SW technology is "magical" , not logic , and most of the time , quite illogic.tactics are derived from medieval age, at best ( giant battleships bombing themselves at close range ??? soldiers in close formation under enmy fire ??? silly at best ! and so on )There is magic (the force) , super villains , good guys and bad guys.Evil is evil , good is good (no reflexion , except with Vader's case ,about the thin line between evil and good , or about doing bad for a greater good (rebels for exemple , are never presented for what they are : a terrorist organisation , they bomb cities , kill thousand of soldiers etc etc , they do it for the greater good , but they remain what they are : rebels,milicians , demaguogues ).Aliens/humans are everywhere mixed (except in the Palpatine empire , of course, but it is an exception, even among the sith empires)Star wars is all about style , not thinking .
ST technology and tactics are logical , efficient and less"holliwoodian",
there are no villains (real bad people that are bad because...they are bad (typical of america and impossible to find in europe or japan) there are people that get angry for good(or bad) reasons , but there is a reason.Aliens and humans meet , but find each other disgusting (logical) and rarely mix.Wars are the extension of these relations.
ST is a real SF story , about thinking , not style.
I prefer SW , even with it's many flaws , because , if star wars is heroic-fantasy disguised in sf , it remains that it is a good heroic-fantasy tale(execpt for episodes 1-2-3 that are stupid films for children and stupid people).
I don't like ST because i have read I.Asimov's, K.Dicks',C.Simak's,A.E. Van Goght 's .... books , and i have come to the conclusion that ST is science fiction for children.SF's soul is in books.So , watching ST is a waste of time.....i am not even speaking of the ships/costumes/characters designs/... that are ...a joke !
Being a fan of both for different reasons, I find it interesting that the majority of you consider Star Trek more cultish than Star Wars. Couple of things to consider that effectively counterpoint that viewpoint:
1. Star Wars doesn't exist w/o both the Jedi and Sith...two cults. And it's not just enough to classify them as cults. The ideologies of both are the epitamy of what it means to be a cult. Examples are too numerous to list when you have to be in the office at 1.
2. Several nations census bureaus actually list Jedi as a religion, because for years so many would write Jedi in the "Other" section of the form.
3. Star Wars Fans are so fanatical, a large number actually contemplate The Force. It's most often capitalized in the same fashion as the word God. And they equate and explain real life happenings with the will of The Force, in much the same way Christians say things like "We can do all things through Christ" or "The Lord moves in mysterious ways".
Star Trek on the other hand is about an "enlightened humanity", with no need for religion or cults because virtually everything has been explained already thru science. And they fanatically seek to expand their knowledge of the universe thru science. So really, their all geeks! And geeks aren't cool, right?
Lastly, to the original question posed as to which has better stood the test of time...Star Wars with ease. Star Wars has iconic elements that has and will always appeal to the next generation of us. Star Wars has LIGHTSABERS! And The Force and Darth Vader and a backstory (EU) you can expand on exponentially. And most importantly a continuing battle between good and evil. Star trek has nothing that counters any of those, so despite being the older franchise, it's not the powerhouse that Star Wars is.
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