Comments:
-Here is just a suggested structuring (although some of it is probably still off.)
-I suggest you limit the category of top tier to those who have actually been recognized as the best in their respective universes - after all "One of the Best MAs" doesn't mean all that much if you're going to . E.g. Shiva, Dragon and Bronze Tiger are basically noted as the 3 best in terms of skill in the DCU. Captain America and Wolverine are noted as among the best fighters in Marvel. And those who has proven themselves equal or very very very close to these fighters in skill.
I.E. Imo you should drop perhaps even a few more down a notch if they don't fulfill that criteria, and raise back any that the majority think does fit the criteria.
In the end it really should come to something akin to a normal distribution with most fighters in the second group.
-I've added WW and Black Canary into 2nd Tier. As well as Barbara Gordon, Black Cat, Storm and Catwoman. If you decide not to follow these suggestions then remember to add them back in.
Cosmic tier: (Can damage Cl100s with no problem)
Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis, Midnight Sun
Uber tier: (Better than the greatest martial artists)
Gorgon, Stick
Top tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists")
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Iron Fist, Kingpin, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Taskmaster, Wolverine
Second tier: (Master Martial Artist)
Azrael, Bane, Black Canary, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Deadpool, Daredevil, Elektra, Eric Killmonger, Deathstroke, Green Arrow, Nightwing, Midnighter, Moon Knight, Nick Fury, Night Thrasher, Punisher, Ra's al Ghul, Red Hood, Red Skull, Robin, Sabretooth, US Agent, Wonder Woman
Third tier: (Moderately to Highly Skilled)
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Black Cat, Cyclops, Psylocke, Storm, Thing
Accomplished fighter:(Little formal training/Some Skill)
Beast, Catwoman, Luke Cage, Spider-Man
Definitely co-signing X's suggestions. It seems a lot closer to actuality, though people like the Punisher, Robin, and US Agent still don't seem nearly as skilled as Daredevil, Elektra, or Ra's Al Ghul. Hence, in my opinion, the need of four tiers (besides the 'accomplished fighter' bracket).
Also, the kingpin (though he has taken it to Spidey, Capt and Daredevil) isn't in skill nearly as impressive as the company he keeps.
Kingpin I agree with moving down. However, the top tier should be reserved for the best of the best. The smaller the top tier, the better - just like in the regular 'tiering' thread.
Chi, Fist, Wolverine, and Captain America are renowned on Marvel Earth as some of the best fighters alive. Daredevil has some insane showings, but he isn't commonly referred to as one of the best fighters on Marvel Earth. We also must take into account the fact that he has a HUGE advantage in his radar sense, and this ranking is supposed to discount powers.
(powerless)Wonder Woman was beaten by the Black Canary who got handled by Batman. She isn't top tier in skill.
Nightwing and Robin shouldn't really be in the same tier, theres a clear gap in terms of their fighting skills, if they do get grouped together it probably suggests there should be an addition tier.
Furthering my earlier suggestions:
-I'd probably limit the Top Tier grouping to 6 a piece from Marvel and DC i.e. the top 6 MAs from Marvel and the top 6 from DC. E.g. for Elektra to move up, someone would have to move down.
-I don't really see the point of having two categories above Top-Tier, and would probably amalgamate them and add a Fourth tier...
Comments:
-I agree about Gorgon to an extent, because he had a lot of power enhancements. I would also drop Midnight Sun I think, as I'm assuming he was placed there because of his physical powers, besides the likes of Gamora and Karate Kid are universally recognised.
-Some reshuffling... it's probably still off.
Cosmic tier: (Can damage Cl100s with no problem)
Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis, Midnight Sun
Uber tier: (Better than the greatest martial artists)
Gorgon, Stick
Top tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists")
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Taskmaster, Wolverine
Second tier: (Master Martial Artists)
Azrael, Black Canary, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Deadpool, Daredevil, Elektra, Eric Killmonger, Deathstroke, Moon Knight, Nick Fury, Ra's al Ghul, Red Skull, Silver Samurai, Sabretooth, Wonder Woman
Third tier: (Moderate to Highly Skilled)
Bane, Green Arrow, Kingpin, Lady Deathstrike, Night Thrasher, Nightwing, Midnighter, Punisher, Psylocke, Red Hood, Robin, Shadowcat, US Agent
Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artist)
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Black Cat, Colleen Wing, Cyclops, Misty Knight, The Question, Storm, Thing
Accomplished fighter:(Little formal training/Some Skill)
Beast, Catwoman, Luke Cage, Spider-Man
Having Robin in the same grouping as Nightwing was a bit iffy but then he's above the Cyclops/Thing level, while Nightwing is below the Black Canary/Daredevil level... so they basically got squeezed together.
I agree on the Nightwing/Robin scenario....it's hard to accurately space out everyone, though. So I understand your feeling - the same problem has arisen once or twice in the full tiering thread, as well.
Besides that, I'm kind of wondering about Shen Kuei. He's great, but inconsistent. Sometimes he's beating Deadpool and Shang Chi like they're nothing, and in others he's one shotted by the Iron Fist.
He's good. He's inconsistent. . I, personally, think he can stay, though.
There are small discrepancies. Nick Fury is a great fighter. The robin/nightwing scenario.
But for the most part, I'd say it's fairly accurate. .
KMC Community Forums
Apr 9th, 2007 04:24 PM
. I, personally, think he can stay, though. 
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