A) How do you know its him?
B) How do you persuade others it was him?
and there are problems for the rest of us as well
C) How do we know the mans not just crazy?
I disagreed, because you tried to deny the existence of the rule by pointing out its flaws...no matter how stupid the idea of DCT is, it still exists and is valid.
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I'm not sure what you are talking about, I didn't try and say that they rule doesn't exist. In fact I said that you could kill in the name of God, now I don't know why you are bringing up the things that I stated before when you said they were invalid???
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wel according to the mouse over view on this thread not the title...the reason some people get mad is IMO simple..they dont have faith..isnt that what God wants you to have? of course jus my opinion and have not read this thread so someone else prob said that already
No. There are many false gods but only one, true God: the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The living God who is the Father of Jesus Christ. This is the true God.
The Christian God and Allah cannot be one and the same because in the Qur'an it is recorded that Allah denies having a son. But the Bible states in a multitude of places that God does have a Son. Jesus even stated that God is His Father. Let's take a look at the Qur'an. The Qur'an is organized into "Surahs" instead of by chapter and verse like the Bible.
Read:
Surah 4:171 O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! (it is) better for you! - Allah is only One God. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.
Surah 6:101The Originator of the heavens and the earth! How can He have a child, when there is for Him no consort, when He created all things and is Aware of all things ?
Surah 18:4,5And to warn those who say: Allah hath chosen a son, (A thing) whereof they have no knowledge, nor (had) their fathers, Dreadful is the word that cometh out of their mouths. They speak naught but a lie.
Those are very damaging discrepancies and contradictions. Based on the information contained in the Bible and in the Qur'an, God (i.e. YHWH, the God of the Bible) is the true God, but Allah is "a" false god. There are many false gods and Allah is just one of the many gods who are false. The true God does have a Son and His Name is a Name that is above every name. That Name is Jesus!
More proof from the Qur'an that the God of the Bible and Allah are not one and the same. God has a Son (Jesus the Christ), but Allah denies having a son.
Surah 23:91Allah hath not chosen any son, nor is there any god along with Him; else would each god have assuredly championed that which he created, and some of them would assuredly have overcome others. Glorified be Allah above all that they allege.
This is not an issue of semantics, hair-splitting, or being technical. I have quoted Allah's own words where he himself states (in his Qu'ran in a number of places) that he does not have a son.
On the contrary, the Bible (the Word of the true God) states in the Old Testament and New Testament in many places throughout Scripture that God does indeed have a Son.
The God of the Bible and Allah are not one and the same. Christ Jesus is never mentioned as the Son of Allah because Allah is not God. Jesus Christ is only called or refrerred to as a prophet in the Qu'ran. But in the Bible Jesus is called the Son of God. In addition, God Almighty calls Jesus His beloved Son. The God of the Bible and Allah are not one and the same.
Allah states in no uncertain terms that he does not have a son. But the God of the Bible says that Jesus is His beloved Son. Is Allah confused? No, Allah is not confused. Allah is correct, he does not have a son. Allah denies having a son because the God of the Bible and Allah are not one and the same. YHWH (i.e. the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob) and Allah are not one and the same. The God of the Bible is the true God and His Son's Name is Jesus (Who is the Christ).
Furthermore, Allah is the mood god, he has an idol that represents him (this is documented, historical fact). But the God of the Bible, YHWH (i.e. the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob), does not have (nor has He ever had) any kind of idol to represent Him, associated with Him, nor in connection with Him--whatsoever. (This too is documented, historical fact). All the other gods of the earth have had some type of idol (i.e. a literal, physical statue or other manufactured work of their likeness and image that has been carved, fashioned, formed, or created to stand for them). So why hasn't the God of the Bible ever had an idol to represent Him? The answer is simple: the God of the Bible has never been an idol, is not now an idol, and will never be an idol. Unfortunately, Allah and those who represent him can never say that. The God of the Bible and Allah are not one and the same.
Just to add to what JIA said, an idol is something which is worshiped as a God or as his/her's earthly representation-thus to hit the statue is to hit God.
A Statue of Jesus is not an idol as it is not worshiped, nor is it believed to be an earthly link between the divine and man- although because it is an image of God it may be treated with great respect and used as a symbol of worship, it however never takes a place as divine. So, you can hit a statue of Jesus and its OK...your not giving the man in the sky a black eye...though some people might see it as very disrespectful.
Think of a photo, when you look at your photos you might direct your feelings and thoughts to them (as Catholics might do to a State of Mary) however, you do not believe that that photo is the person who is in it- its just a photo. Yet, the photo can represent a person very close to you and thus you treat it with great care even though you are aware that it is not the person who is in it!
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They're still the same God, i.e. the one true god, creator of all. The views just differ down the line of how God acted/acts.
F.Y.I., Yahweh means "God" and Allah means "God", they're just two different languages for the same word. Might as well argue that "gato" and "cat" aren't the same thing in terms of meaning, you dumb bastard.
He never said in arabic Allah didn't mean God, he said the Islamic Allah is not the same as the Christian God...you could say the Islamic God is not the Christian God or the Islamic Allah is not the same as the Christian Allah...
He was using the name not the noun.
And he is correct, they are not the same God- one is made up of three beings the other is not...
Yes the two God's are attributed with the same acts i.e. creation but they are two very very different "people".
(FYI your last sentence...boy did that shoot you right in your own foot)
Actually, I am right, they're the same God, deal with it.
The only difference is in God's actions. At one point (in the OT) God wasn't in three parts, so by your ill-logic, the OT God and the NT are different gods, as the Jews do not accept the trinity as part of their faith.
Instead of saying "boy did that shoot you[sic] right in your own foot", why don't you point it out?
Please respond to what I said in that quote, I'd love to hear what you have to say on the God vs Allah front. Hopefully you have learned what JIA meant in the short time that has passed and now understand that the Christian God and the Islamic God are two very distinct deities.
You'll find my abilities are so superior I responded to your comment in my original post (remember my photograph analogy?)
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