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John 16:13
However, when He, the Spirit of Truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.


The Spirit of Truth is just that. It is truth and it doesn't matter where it comes from. It could come from Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists, Pagans, Wiccans. Truth is truth. A person doesn't need a book to say what the truth is. It's just obvious.

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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I have already told you why. I did what Jesus said do, and the Truth was revealed to me. The moment that I took the step of faith to research the Bible concerning Who Jesus is, and then do what Jesus said do, Jesus revealed the reality of Who He is to me. The Holy Spirit caused me to become born again and then He came to dwell in my spirit. The Holy Spirit bears witness with my spirit that Jesus is Who He says He is. Now I know that I know that Jesus is Who the Bible says that He is because the Holy Spirit enables me to believe the gospel.

This is why I believe that Jesus is the Mashiyach (i.e. Messiah or Anointed One). Do you understand? The Holy Spirit (Who dwells in my spirit) bears witness with my spirit that I am a child of God, that the Bible is true, and that Jesus is Who He says that He is. This is the why behind the what.




[b]Romans 8:16
The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,




But I had to take a step of faith towards believing this first, then the Holy Spirit came to live on the inside of my spirit to complete the process. Now my faith about Who Jesus is has not only been strengthened, but it has become unmovable and unshakeable.

Strangelove, I believe because the Holy Spirit has revealed the Truth to me. The Truth of the gospel has to be revealed to you (once it is you will have no problem understanding why I believe or even why you believe). Most believers are not necessarily conscious of why they believe. Many of them are not aware that the Holy Spirit is the Person Who has revealed Jesus Christ to them, enabling them to believe. The Holy Spirit testifies to the world about Who Jesus is. But many people are not in a position to hear Him because they have not made an effort to know the Truth. Read:




John 15:26
“But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of Truth Who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me.




So, I believe because the Holy Spirit has revealed Jesus to me, this is why I believe. For without the abiding presence of the Holy Spirit residing in my spirit I would be incapable of believing the gospel. Apart from the Holy Spirit the gospel, the Bible, and Jesus dying on a cross to save the world from their sins makes no sense at all. But...the Holy Spirit does live in my spirit and consequently the gospel makes perfect sense. The Holy Spirit guides me into all Truth.



John 16:13
However, when He, the Spirit of Truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
Okay, quick thing. When you quote Scripture to me, you are avoiding the question. When I ask why you believe in what you believe in, and then you quote Scripture, it seems a lot like circular reasoning (e.g. using the Bible to prove itself).

You say that the Holy Spirit revealed the Truth to you. How can you be so sure it's the truth? why do you believe that it's the truth? This is a personal question for YOU, JIA. I do not want you quoting Scripture to answer my question, because it's a non-answer. You cannot answer a question about your personal beliefs by quoting a book that someone else wrote.


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Originally posted by fini
PEEPS................... could we just ignore this thread, so that, THAT idiot can talk to himself and not annoy us????


It is not kind for you to refer to me as an idiot, I have never referred to you as an idiot. Do you think that it is fair for you to refer to me as an idiot?. You are a Muslim correct? Do all Muslims refer to other people as idiots unprovoked?


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OHH THE HYPOCRISY
Huh? Am I the hypocrite, or JIA? confused


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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
It is not kind for you to refer to me as an idiot, I have never referred to you as an idiot. Do you think that it is fair for you to refer to me as an idiot?. You are a Muslim correct? Do all Muslims refer to other people as idiots unprovoked?



She is going to call you an idiot again, because she is Hindu...not Muslim...you do know the difference, right ? erm


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Okay, quick thing. When you quote Scripture to me, you are avoiding the question. When I ask why you believe in what you believe in, and then you quote Scripture, it seems a lot like circular reasoning (e.g. using the Bible to prove itself).

You say that the Holy Spirit revealed the Truth to you. How can you be so sure it's the truth? why do you believe that it's the truth? This is a personal question for YOU, JIA. I do not want you quoting Scripture to answer my question, because it's a non-answer. You cannot answer a question about your personal beliefs by quoting a book that someone else wrote.


Strangelove, when I quote a Scripture to you I am providing you with support for what I believe. But, when I expound a Scripture I am explaining why I believe what the Scripture states. So, that means that I have provided you with the what and the why reasons for my beliefs.

I have written a number of (detailed) posts to you Strangelove that explain what you want to know. But I will entertain yet further. Strangelove, there is no way for me to explain to YOU what Truth is like, because there is nothing to compare it with/to. Have you ever tried to explain something to someone but you didn't know how to "fully" express or convey what you were trying to say? For example, let's say that you discovered a new color. How would you describe that new color to someone else when it doesn't look like any colors that already exist, and it does not look like any combination of colors that you could mix? Here is what you say: "I have discovered a new color, it looks like...and it has...it is beautiful because...." Similarly, I do not truly know how to describe Truth. Truth must be experienced because the only description or definition that I can provide for Truth is that it is Jesus Christ. Truth is not some dictionary meaning or explanation, it is a Person. Once you experience Truth you will know what it is because it is self-revealing. But it must be experienced. The definition and description of Truth is found within, and revealed by or through Truth itself. Just as Heat is hot, cold is cold, up is up, down is down, Truth is Truth. Your question is like asking someone how they know that they are alive. Well alive means that you are not physically dead. This is the universally accepted definition of alive relative to human beings. Well, how do I know that Truth is Truth and that it is the Truth? Because Truth is Jesus Christ (this is the description and definition of Truth). So, Truth must be experienced it cannot be explained or described except in the Person of Jesus Christ. Again, Truth is Truth just like alive is alive, eggs are eggs, green is green. The definition of green corresponds to the color of green. Well, the definition of Truth corresponds to Jesus Christ because that is Who/what Truth is.

Do you understand Strangelove?


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I kind of gave up debating with you, because your mind is closed off...you will automatically reject all perspectives that do not coincide with your own. So until you actually consider the validity of another's point, I will take nothing you say serious.


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Originally posted by Quiero Mota
laughing out loud Someone please remind me where Luke said that in Jedi.


I believe it is where luke and Yoda are in a cave or near a pond. Luke's aircraft crashed into the pond and Yoda was trying to teach Luke to use the force to lift it from the pond. Luke said something to the effect that he would try. Yoda reproved Luke telling him to do or do not, there is no try.


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I believe it is where luke and Yoda are in a cave or near a pond. Luke's aircraft crashed into the pond and Yoda was trying to teach Luke to use the force to lift it from the pond. Luke said something to the effect that he would try. Yoda reproved Luke telling him to do or do not, there is no try.


-That was The Empire Strikes Back

-What the hell does that have to do with the Bible?


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-That was The Empire Strikes Back

-What the hell does that have to do with the Bible?


I used the example to illustrate the fact that the the truths contained in the Bible must be acted on (i.e. done not tried) to reap the intended benefits.


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I used the example to illustrate the fact that the the truths contained in the Bible must be acted on (i.e. done not tried) to reap the intended benefits.


Thats funny.


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Well luke is in both stories. Where's Matthew and Mark?

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You forgot
5) there is no physical evidence to suggest that he was the messiah, nor evidence to suggest that your interpretation of the "Truth" is the correct one.


You sound cocksure. Likewise AngryManatee, there is no physical evidence to suggest that He is not.


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You sound cocksure.


it's better then vaginasure. I put that up there because none of your choices had the option of some other religion's god(s) being the true god, nor an option of there not being a god.


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Originally posted by Alliance
laughing

Oh.. I thought JIA wrote that. embarrasment
For some reason my text turned blue, I understand laughing


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I have written a number of (detailed) posts to you Strangelove that explain what you want to know.
I sincerely disagree


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Re: Can you handle the Truth?

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Why do people get offended when you tell them the truth as it pertains to the Bible?


It's not offended, it's annoyed. There is a difference.


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It's not offended, it's annoyed. There is a difference.




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