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Star Destroyer Vs Enterprise D
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Endless Mike
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I know practically nothing about Babylon 5, but Firefly/Serenity is one of the weakest scifi universes in terms of combat ability


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No Contest (IMHO)

"long fan of both (& a Sci-Fi nut all around) but this is really apples to oranges. In the "Trek" world a Star Destoyer would be considered a simple "impulse" vessle.
Think of it as a battle between a WW2 Aircraft Carrier & a modern fast attack nuclear submarine. Size just wouldn't matter in this reguard.
Ray sheilding, turbo lasers manuverabilty of a cow??
A Galaxy Class starship using warp & long range weapons could take on an entire fleet of Star Destroyers with little difficulty.
The original constitution class Enterprise had photon torpedos that had a maximum yeild of 64 megatons. (that's roughly equal to 2000
Hiroshimas) Also her deflector shields were very formitable. In the episode "The Doomsday Machine" they took repeated hits from a weapon that was used to destroy whole planets.
Now her Phasers is also something to think about. The ships phasers set to full could supposedly whipe out half a continent the size of north America.

Now "warp speed" is an increadbly fun thought. It creates a bubble of normal "space time" around the vessle while the it traverses extradimensional
"hyperspace." This enables the ship to interact with things in real space while traveling MANY MANY times the speed of light.

A Star Destroyer even a Super Star destroyer wouldn't last long against the old Enterprise.
Much less the Galaxy Class

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Long fan of both (& a Sci-Fi nut all around) but this is really apples to oranges. In the "Trek" world a Star Destoyer would be considered a simple "impulse" vessle.
Think of it as a battle between a WW2 Aircraft Carrier & a modern fast attack nuclear submarine. Size just wouldn't matter in this reguard.
Ray sheilding, turbo lasers manuverabilty of a cow??
A Galaxy Class starship using warp & long range weapons could take on an entire fleet of Star Destroyers with little difficulty.
The rub would be the "Federations" desire to "negotiate" before fighting. Just don't see Picard negotiating very well with Vader. Though it would be "ineresting" (as Spock would say) to watch. & Tie fighters could attack by the dozens & 1: Never penetrate the Big E's shields & 2: get vaporized with phaser fire from the enterpris's targeting computer. Not to mention the Big E's ability to pop in & out of warp all day without any complex hypeerspace computations. Really guys no contest. None at all. (This is comming from a Star Wars NUT that first saw the movie when I was 11 & went back 23 times that first summer in 77.)
The original constitution class Enterprise had photon torpedos that had a maximum yeild of 64 megatons. (that's roughly equal to 2000
Hiroshimas) Also her deflector shields were very formitable. In the episode "The Doomsday Machine" they took repeated hits from a weapon that was used to destroy whole planets.
Now her Phasers are also something to think about. The ships phasers set to full could supposedly whipe out half a continent the size of north America.

Now "warp speed" is an increadbly fun thought. It creates a bubble of normal "space time" around the vessle while the it traverses extradimensional "hyperspace." This enables the ship to interact with things in real space while traveling MANY MANY times the speed of light.

A Star Destroyer even a Super Star destroyer wouldn't last long against the old Enterprise. Much less the Galaxy Class

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Site to site teleportation alone is WAY beyond SW Tech. (See all that traffic on Coruscant???) Yuk.

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And if you are impressed with size. The Glaxay class ship is over 7 football fields long & 4 across. That isn't "puny" by any stretch of the imagination. An Imperial class ship is 1600 meters long. That is bigger but not that much. Thats 2100 feet vs 5200 ft. A Romulan Warbird is 4200 ft & the Enterprise mixed it up with them plenty of times.
Apples & Oranges though. Love both
(Oh BTW) That Romulan ship that the little bity (new)old Enterprise took out in the latest Trek movie was bigger than The Executor. ( & could destroy planets. so "neener neener neeeeeeener") LOL (JK) smile

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There was also an episode where they were under attack & Riker turned to Picard smiling & said "They are firing 'Lasers at us sir." To which Picard replied "Really??? How quaint." The Destroyers command & control sucks rocks as well. One little bit A-Wing fighter kamakazi's their Bridge & the whole thing crashes & burns????? Common??? (Oh that was a SUPER Star Destroyer sorry) smile

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Thinking about it....



The Enterprise would probably lose but they could transport out the entire crew from the Star Destroyer before the Star Destroyer's weapons got into range.


A mass transport was done by Voyager in the 7th season: they transported over 200 people at once right before the other ship exploded. The reason it is not done very often is due to the size of the Transporter Pattern Buffers: they run out of space. But a temporary override can be put into place to use the buffers of some other stuff to do an mass emergency transport.


The transporter range is much farther than the weapons' ranges for the Star Destroyer.


So...empty Star Destroyer....can't do much.


Enterprise D wins.


Remember, in versus threads, all parties use everything at their disposal.




Also, I remember Riker saying, in one of the TNG episodes, that the D could wipe the face of a planet clean with their phasers in just a few moments. That makes sense if you consider that they can widen the beam from orbit and pump a lot of power into it. What's the point of a Death Star when you can use a much much smaller ship, that has much more varied technology, that can get the job done in almost the same time? The planet may be reusable (the targeting computers are extremely precise (see the episode they used the Enterprise to drill into the tectonic plates to alleviate pressure and it had to be precise to less than a meter). Unlike the deathstar which just destroys the planet.


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Not even that.

1 photon torpedo + travelling at warp speeds = atomized Star Destroyer


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If Vader is in command or Thrawn, then Feds even with Picard do not stand a chance. Vader with the Force and Chiss combat tactics trump anything.


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Originally posted by dadudemon
Thinking about it....



The Enterprise would probably lose but they could transport out the entire crew from the Star Destroyer before the Star Destroyer's weapons got into range.


A mass transport was done by Voyager in the 7th season: they transported over 200 people at once right before the other ship exploded. The reason it is not done very often is due to the size of the Transporter Pattern Buffers: they run out of space. But a temporary override can be put into place to use the buffers of some other stuff to do an mass emergency transport.


The transporter range is much farther than the weapons' ranges for the Star Destroyer.


So...empty Star Destroyer....can't do much.


To play devil's advocate, a star destroyer has a crew in the low tens of thousands range.

Transporting 200 some people once is well short of transporting 35,000 people at once, or transporting 35,000 people in ~200 increments when just transporting the ~200 once is an emergency maneuver that wouldn't be attempted except as a last resort.

I won't contest the rest of your argument, this bit just struck me as odd.

Also (and it's possible I'm conflating Star Trek with Stargate here) I'm pretty sure that transporters can't snag targets behind shields, which the Star Destroyers have.


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I would say the enterprise hands down, I bet ten bucks they don't have to even fire a single shot, More then likly they would just heck the systems on the destroyer and disable the ship ST tech had a lot of WTF tech that just popped up when needed.


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Also (and it's possible I'm conflating Star Trek with Stargate here) I'm pretty sure that transporters can't snag targets behind shields, which the Star Destroyers have.


They can't, until Data figures out the frequency and then bypasses the shield. It's happened before.


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They can't, until Data figures out the frequency and then bypasses the shield. It's happened before.
Star Wars' shields and lasers don't have frequencies.


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Star Wars' shields and lasers don't have frequencies.


The blaster bolts I can see. Shielding through as in raising an energy barrier should.

Data > your face


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The blaster bolts I can see. Shielding through as in raising an energy barrier should.

Data > your face
Sorry, they don't. Star Wars seems to function on magic (and I'm not talking about the Force). Deflector shields, laser bolts, lightsaber, repulsorlifts; they all function on... energy. No energy in particular, just energy. And sometimes usually something to do with crystals. There's no "frequency" of Star Wars energy, just "POWAH!" and the need for m0Ar of it.


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To play devil's advocate, a star destroyer has a crew in the low tens of thousands range.

Transporting 200 some people once is well short of transporting 35,000 people at once, or transporting 35,000 people in ~200 increments when just transporting the ~200 once is an emergency maneuver that wouldn't be attempted except as a last resort.




That's to safely, with no loss, transport 200 people. Since the transporter range is much farther out than the weapons' range of the Star Destroyer, they can just sit out a bit of the way...transporting thousands of people at once, into space, without worrying about keeping their patterns in perfect order. No need to keep them alive, right? big grin



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I won't contest the rest of your argument, this bit just struck me as odd.

Also (and it's possible I'm conflating Star Trek with Stargate here) I'm pretty sure that transporters can't snag targets behind shields, which the Star Destroyers have.


Those are different types of shields. Not the same as Star Trek shields.

The particle shields are probably the worst defense against transporters. Star Trek ships can transport through more than 2 KM of rock at a time: no amount of a thin film of excited particles will prevent the transporters from working.

Next, ray shields can be bypassed with proton torpedoes quite easily (good bye, Death Star). Every other episode has the Star Trek transporters beaming people through some sort of radiation or interference. Ray shields stand no chance.


Also, why are shields developed in a way to prevent transporters from working in Star Trek?


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The blaster bolts I can see. Shielding through as in raising an energy barrier should.

Data > your face


I just had to bump this thread because of the sheer stupidity here.

Do you seriously think that all sci-fi shields must have a "frequency", just because they exist in the pseudoscientific world of Star Trek, where phasers are described as "phase coherent" lasers, even though lasers are already phase coherent?

Do you even understand what the word "frequency" means? On exactly what basis do you assume that a geometric shield somehow has a "frequency", and even if it did, how would this be even remotely relevant?

You do realize that altering a weapon's frequency does nothing to change its power output, right?

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Star Destroyer. Especially if Thrawn is on board.


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They can't, until Data figures out the frequency and then bypasses the shield. It's happened before.


Adding to my previous contention that SW shields don't have frequencies, as they are never mentioned or suggested, and there is nothing inherent in the known characteristics of a shield that would require its having a "frequency" any more than one would expect a sword to have a "frequency"...

Even without shielding, a star destroyer's hull is too strong for any photon torpedo to penetrate. We're talking about a disparity in firepower and defensive capabilities of multiple orders of magnitude; a single heavy turbolaser bolt could yield teratons, more energy than what is released in the Enterprise's entire torpedo complement.

This is confirmed in Saxton's ICS's, and if you refuse to accept them as canon, you still have the numerous examples in the films of ships demonstrating truly astronomical power generation capabilities, such as the Death Star's e38 joule superlaser, or the imperial fleet's circumnavigating Endor in under a minute.

It's like matching the Yammato against a ship of the line.

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