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Shakyamunison
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Did his choices before the war cost lives?


Yes. He started the war.


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Germany was in need of a savior and he built up their confidence and pride. He told them "Be proud", only thing was he took it too far.

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He was brilliant, and cruel, those two things must walk hand in hand for a leader to be a good one, he had to make an example out of someone so why not who he thought was the reason germany had fallen so low, then he would support who he thought was the righteous, this has all to do with his past, if you look at any great ruler in time and see how they ran their empire you will see that many if not all made great examples and sacrifices, the difference is we cannot see the brilliance because he is a suicide who had quite a bit to do with the deaths of millions, if you are biased against a man for his ideals it says alot about you, though i would not support the killing of so many people, i do think he was a brilliant tactician, and that if his past had been different so would have the rest of his life.


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Hitler was evil.


I don't care if you thnk evil does not exist. Hitler fits every definition and qualification of the term evil. In most cultures, that is what he would be considered.



He was cruel, hateful, sadistic, and malicious...if that is not evil, then nothing is.



Boots, you are an idiot troll...go away.


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I don't use the word evil so I would say no.


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Hitler was evil.


I don't care if you thnk evil does not exist. Hitler fits every definition and qualification of the term evil. In most cultures, that is what he would be considered.



He was cruel, hateful, sadistic, and malicious...if that is not evil, then nothing is.



Boots, you are an idiot troll...go away.


Each and every person is both good and evil. So, are you telling me that Hitler did not have a good side?


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Each and every person is both good and evil. So, are you telling me that Hitler did not have a good side?



He loved his mother....that's about it.



His evil outways his good. I know I have both good and evil within me...I am kind, compassionate, sensitive, generous, etc....but I can also be cruel, inconsiderate, wrathful, jealous, judgemental etc.


The difference is I do not allow that negativity to take over. I care more for others than I do myself, which is why I swallow my pride (among other things) and let it go.


Hitler just had to have his revenge and force his ideals upon others. He was either evil or psychotic.


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He had syphilis I believe. Syphilis affects the brain and thinking.

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He loved his mother....that's about it.



His evil outways his good. I know I have both good and evil within me...I am kind, compassionate, sensitive, generous, etc....but I can also be cruel, inconsiderate, wrathful, jealous, judgemental etc.


The difference is I do not allow that negativity to take over. I care more for others than I do myself, which is why I swallow my pride (among other things) and let it go.


Hitler just had to have his revenge and force his ideals upon others. He was either evil or psychotic.


You are correct "Hitler just had to have his revenge". That is way I say the Hitler was on an evil path. Do you understand the difference?


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You are correct "Hitler just had to have his revenge". That is way I say the Hitler was on an evil path. Do you understand the difference?



Yes, but I still deem him an evil person. The evil consumed him. It's not as if he made a horrible mistake, and then stopped. He continously enacted his reign, torture, and murder upon millions. He had no plan to stop.


He was cruel, sadistic, and hateful.


Do you know of a woman named Elizabeth Bathory ? If not, then look her up. Look up what she did....tell me she is not evil.


People who are over all good do not take evil paths. They may wander...they may even walk the path for a while, but they do not continue walking for long.


I am a beleiver that we are all born neutral. A good person can become evil, and vise versa. I am not saying that an evil person is evil by nature or cannot change. But sometimes a person's evil is so powerful, they do not have the strength or even motivation to over come it.


Hitler, like Elizabeth Bathory, is one of these people.


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Hitler did bad things.


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Either the guy was evil or crazy, or maybe a bit of both. . .or a lot of both.


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Yes, but I still deem him an evil person. The evil consumed him. It's not as if he made a horrible mistake, and then stopped. He continously enacted his reign, torture, and murder upon millions. He had no plan to stop.


He was cruel, sadistic, and hateful.


Do you know of a woman named Elizabeth Bathory ? If not, then look her up. Look up what she did....tell me she is not evil.


People who are over all good do not take evil paths. They may wander...they may even walk the path for a while, but they do not continue walking for long.


I am a beleiver that we are all born neutral. A good person can become evil, and vise versa. I am not saying that an evil person is evil by nature or cannot change. But sometimes a person's evil is so powerful, they do not have the strength or even motivation to over come it.


Hitler, like Elizabeth Bathory, is one of these people.



I believe that a person's Karma or path is good or evil. You are a good person because of the good Karma you were born with. Hitler was born with evil Karma.

We agree more then we disagree, however, inside of every person is the world of Buddhahood. I truly believe that Buddhahood is NOT evil. So, for me to say that Hitler was evil is to say that his Buddhahood was evil. The problem with this is that all Buddhahood nature is the same nature. So, if Hitler's Buddhahood nature was evil, then so are yours, and mine and I know that is not true.


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I believe that a person's Karma or path is good or evil. You are a good person because of the good Karma you were born with. Hitler was born with evil Karma.

We agree more then we disagree, however, inside of every person is the world of Buddhahood. I truly believe that Buddhahood is NOT evil. So, for me to say that Hitler was evil is to say that his Buddhahood was evil. The problem with this is that all Buddhahood nature is the same nature. So, if Hitler's Buddhahood nature was evil, then so are yours, and mine and I know that is not true.


The second paragraph contradicts the first paragraph.


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I believe that a person's Karma or path is good or evil. You are a good person because of the good Karma you were born with. Hitler was born with evil Karma.



Although it's enviroment that shapes people's actions, reactions, and outlooks, there is evidense that supports the possibility that some people are born with sadistic/cruel tendencies.

Scientists took a look into the mind of a serial killer and have found that the part of thier brain which promotes hesitation, worry, and fear of consequence does not work. This would explain how and why male and female serial killers can kill with ease, while the rest of us would hesitate before committing such acts.

It is possible that karma may have to do with this, but it is not yet proven.


On that note, I do not think that it is simply actions that make a person good or bad. If you generally hate people or hold ill thoughts of other people, but do not act upon them, you are still a bad person.

The feelings of compassion, sensitivity, and empathy that I have for other people far surpass my actions. I still consider myself a good person, because I do care.

Hitler did not care for the suffering of his victims, in fact, he enforced it. That is evil.



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We agree more then we disagree, however, inside of every person is the world of Buddhahood. I truly believe that Buddhahood is NOT evil. So, for me to say that Hitler was evil is to say that his Buddhahood was evil. The problem with this is that all Buddhahood nature is the same nature. So, if Hitler's Buddhahood nature was evil, then so are yours, and mine and I know that is not true.




Hitler has no access to his Buddhahood, and according to the theory of the Ten Worlds, not everyone reaches thier potential Buddhahood.

His actions, intent, and psychology were evil. Therefore he was evil. Even if he never comitted the Holocaust or his horrid actions, he still had the thoughts and intents of cruelty within him. He savored them.

He was an evil person.


Did you look up Elizabeth Bathory ? Look her up, she what she did, and tell me she was not evil...or atleast insane.


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Goddess Kali: I don't disagree with you; I just don't go as far as you do. I think that Hitler's actions (evil path) are what kept Hitler from his Buddhahood.

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Shaky, i do not truly beleive in evil. I think people who do those things are insane.


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Shaky, i do not truly beleive in evil. I think people who do those things are insane.


Perhaps insanity is the result of Karma.


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