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The PT's central character
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Then you missed alot of it.

The whole point is that he wasn't a bad egg, that he was a good person who turned evil.


And that line about expectations didn't come from Lucas, it came from me. stick out tongue


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we get the point. anakin meant to do good but was lead astray yadda yadda yadda. i know it by heart in fact. however i cannot identify with anakin throughout ep3 and even ep2. i know why luke flipped out and hacked vaders hand off, i know why he looked saddly into the tattooine sunset, i know why he lost hope and jumped down the airshaft at bespin. emotions and thoughts were conveyed and we understood.

i could feel luke's emotions and empathise. with anakin its like watching everything in a rushed and half-sensical "matter of fact" kind of way, from behind a bullet-proof and emotion-proof window.


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i dont admit this mutch but i liked Lloyd in TPM
he was a kid playing a kid and im glad we didnt get a man boy freak hybrid like Hayley Osmet who would have been hard for average kids to identify with which Lucas was aiming for.... a little foreboding of the future would have been nice though any chance of darkness onscreen was blown by Lucas doing away with the deleted Greedo fight scene
dickhead should have kept that in- the point i realised the PT may not be as dark as i thought it was going to be...or was after the SE when Greedo shot first

there are parts of Haydens performance that are ok in my opinion but its not enough and as stated his turn to the darkside is too quick and not dramatic enough and nowhere near anything SW fans long term or new deserved ..to add further insult it also accompanies the worst acting in any movie ive seen let alone an SW flick
e.g the appalling Windu v Palpatine scene which ****ing STINKS!
but my 11 year old nephew loved it so what do i know


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i dont think its fair to blame the actors though. they can only work with what they're given.


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yeah i think everyone gave Lloyd too much of a hard time in 99 poor kid had a lot to live up to
weve been here before about PT performances
Lucas is notorious for his lack of respect and treatment of actors
i read that the nazis in the finale of Raiders were all tourists he spotted nearby and gave a job to because they looked german
no surprise the PT contains as many CGI characters as human


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Originally posted by sithsaber408
You shouldn't expect anything.

Old Jedi wisdom: An expectation is just a pre-meditated dissapointment.

Instead, just go and experience.


And take from that experience whatever you can, be it good or bad.


Jedi - totally emotionless. Is that how we can appreciate the PT? Without emotion? Well, then it truly sucks balls.


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laughing out loud

Again, that line was something I came up with, it's not in starwars.


I just called it old jedi wisdom as a joke.

Understand, do you? stick out tongue


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No, I don't,. It is shit.


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laughing out loud


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I probably looked through Obi Wan's eyes during the whole prequal trilogy and all his emotions were of "oh my.." and "don't be like that". Trying to place myself in Anakin would just make me feel embarrassed. He acted really really weird and unnatural during the whole trilogy. Both actors actually imo.


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we get the point. anakin meant to do good but was lead astray yadda yadda yadda. i know it by heart in fact. however i cannot identify with anakin throughout ep3 and even ep2. i know why luke flipped out and hacked vaders hand off, i know why he looked saddly into the tattooine sunset, i know why he lost hope and jumped down the airshaft at bespin. emotions and thoughts were conveyed and we understood.

i could feel luke's emotions and empathise. with anakin its like watching everything in a rushed and half-sensical "matter of fact" kind of way, from behind a bullet-proof and emotion-proof window.


Very well said.

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I probably looked through Obi Wan's eyes during the whole prequal trilogy and all his emotions were of "oh my.." and "don't be like that". Trying to place myself in Anakin would just make me feel embarrassed. He acted really really weird and unnatural during the whole trilogy. Both actors actually imo.


Unnatural is certainly the key word there. Maybe it shows that actors simply can't film on blue screen.

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weird and unnatural is how i wanted the man who became Vader to be
he did creepy well......but i dont know if it was totaly intentional
my problems with the PT are with Lucas and ILM
Hayden did all he could and his final moments in my opinion are what i wanted to see its just a shame it was preceeded by CGI overload

although good at times particularly his Utapa scenes McGregor just ended up doing a bad Guinness impersonation


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It's a shame. McGregor certainly looks the part of a young Obi-Wan, and has alot of talent too.


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yeah i remember the day i read he was cast and i had such high hopes
it was round about the time of trainspotting i think

same happened with Christopher Lee when i read on the net he was to be in AOTC

shame


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I do enjoy Dooku's character. After they unveiled Maul my eyes rolled, but Dooku is an interesting character, but wasn't handled too well.


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I remember getting really exited when i saw Maul for the first time and more so the first time i heard Duel Of The Fates
I still get a buzz when i think of the build up and hype pre TPM and he was a major factor in this from his face on the figure packaging to his unvieling in the Insider
and for me he didnt dissapoint onscreen
he amongst a few other things saved that flick from being a total disaster

Dooku on the other hand was great an all but agreed he wasnt handled so well
he got the best lines in AOTC though
I love the Obi - Dooku chit chat.
Maybe we should have a thread for non Pt fans to say what they liked in the prequels as opposed to disliked.
For some theyd be short posts


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Yes, I guess he was a major factor in the hype towards Star Wars, and yes he does look "cool". But holy bejebus, mother of christ did he look predictable, I can imagine the art production team rolling their eyes when Lucas told them what he wanted. I always felt he was more of a prop in the film, than a real character.

Dooku however has a nice little bit of charm, and Christopher Lee done his thing and we have ourselves Count Saruman, I mean Dracula. Or Dooku. It doesn't really matter, it was just Christopher Lee playing the refined gentlemen of wisdom and integrity, and it was entertaining, although if I hear Anakin say "My powers have doubled since we last met, Count" again, I might just keel over and die. What a shit piece of dialogue. I mean, really. How terrible is that line?


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Being part of the PT art production must have been a pain at times
All that time and effort only to get a "not this time maybe somewhere else down the line" or the bums rush

If i remember on a doc the whole art team look disapointed when Lucas picks a character over the one the art team are happy with


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Yes, I'm sure I've seen that too. The guy must be such a pain to work with (well, for really), especially if he is as boring as "they all say". The cheek of it, destroying artistic creations with his money bags. Only redeeming feature would be that your working on a Star Wars film, regardless of if its any good or not.

I'd always hoped they'd make a nice little Star Wars crime caper/noir with Han as the central character, that'd redeem Lucas in my eyes lol


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