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Juntai
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Originally posted by Galan007
I don't think the events of IC left the DCU in quite as much turmoil as the events of COIE.... But that's just my opinion.

And SBP alone really didn't pose much of a threat to the Multiverse, but SBP + Alex Luthor did.

And this bio says...

"Have made him (SBP), a greater threat then Anti-Monitor ever was"...

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That's BS imo..... Panel feats for each individual character contradict this statement.

I guess it's just perspective in what they meant by the statement. You seem to be taking it as feats of personal power, while I'm more refering to the threat generated as a whole and maybe not individually by his person but as a result of his actions. Because Infinite Crisis would not have happened if not for him.

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Originally posted by Galan007

"Have made him (SBP), a greater threat then Anti-Monitor ever was"...

Greater threat does not mean more powerful.

North Korea might be a greater threat to USA, but it is not more powerful than China.

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Originally posted by Juntai
I guess it's just perspective in what they meant by the statement. You seem to be taking it as feats of personal power, while I'm more refering to the threat generated as a whole and maybe not individually by his person but as a result of his actions. Because Infinite Crisis would not have happened if not for him.

I take it as feats of personal power because the bio uses the word "him", referring directly to SBP.

IMO the threat SBP himself generated was really nothing compared to the threat of AM himself.

Had Alex Luthor not been around, and it was just SBP, do you think the events of IC would have still been Multiversal?

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Originally posted by masterbruce
Greater threat does not mean more powerful.

The "threat" AM posed reduced DC from a Multiverse to a Universe.

Yet this bio says SBP was a greater threat?

Nah.

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Juntai
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Originally posted by Galan007
I take it as feats of personal power because the bio uses the word "him", referring directly to SBP.

IMO the threat SBP himself generated was really nothing compared to the threat of AM himself.

Had Alex Luthor not been around, and it was just SBP, do you think the events of IC would have still been Multiversal?

You're just looking at it from a different viewpoint. Nothing really more to discuss than that. However, my viewpoint coincides with what it's saying, while yours is outright against it and thus you think the bio is wrong.. So who do you think is more accurately determining this?

The events of IC were easily comparable to COIE.
Anti-Monitor nearly destroyed all that was so he could remake it in his image.
Superboy was going to destroy all that was, by heading to OA.

Both nearly succeded.
Both had a wrench thrown in their plans by Flash.
Both were stopped[in the end] by Superman.

It had great art, and great storytelling, and was just as fantastical and important as the original Crisis. A true homage to it's predecessor.

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Galan007
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Originally posted by Juntai
You're just looking at it from a different viewpoint. Nothing really more to discuss than that. However, my viewpoint coincides with what it's saying, while yours is outright against it and thus you think the bio is wrong.. So who do you think is more accurately determining this?

The events of IC were easily comparable to COIE.
Anti-Monitor nearly destroyed all that was so he could remake it in his image.
Superboy was going to destroy all that was, by heading to OA.

Both nearly succeded.
Both had a wrench thrown in their plans by Flash.
Both were stopped[in the end] by Superman.

It had great art, and great storytelling, and was just as fantastical and important as the original Crisis. A true homage to it's predecessor.

Agree to disagree I guess lol.

I think the overall threat posed by SBP, (along with all the other variables in the story), were very much comparable to AM's personal threat.

But if we only take the threat posed by these two individually,

I personally feel AM was the bigger threat.

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Juntai
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Originally posted by Galan007
Agree to disagree I guess lol.

I think the overall threat posed by SBP, (along with all the other variables in the story), were very much comparable to AM's personal threat.

But if we only take the threat posed by these two individually,

I personally feel AM was the bigger threat.

I certainly agree that Anti-Monitor is more powerful than Superboy.

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Originally posted by Galan007
Agree to disagree I guess lol.

I think the overall threat posed by SBP, (along with all the other variables in the story), were very much comparable to AM's personal threat.

But if we only take the threat posed by these two individually,

I personally feel AM was the bigger threat.

see, to me Lex Luthor is always one of Superman's greatest threats, despite the fact that individually he would be one of Superman's weakest most insignicant foes. But the fact is he could influence many things that would present great threat to Superman that even a Darkseid wouldn't.

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I certainly agree that Anti-Monitor is more powerful than Superboy.

Cool.

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see, to me Lex Luthor is always one of Superman's greatest threats, despite the fact that individually he would be one of Superman's weakest most insignicant foes. But the fact is he could influence many things that would present great threat to Superman that even a Darkseid wouldn't.

Alex Luthor was FAR from an insignificant threat. erm

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I certainly agree that Anti-Monitor is more powerful than Superboy.

I believe he handled Pre-Crisis Superman with ease, no?

I don't see how Superboy could be any more powerful than the freakin' Anti-Monitor.

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Juntai
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Alex Luthor was FAR from an insignificant threat.

I think he means Lex and not Alexander.

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Originally posted by Juntai
I think he means Lex and not Alexander.

Ohh, you're right. embarrasment

How the heck did Lex even get brought into this? confused

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Juntai
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Originally posted by Galan007
Ohh, you're right.

How the heck did Lex even get brought into this?

He was making an analogy using other characters about a weaker character generating a lot of threat.

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Apr 24th, 2007 10:42 PM

Galan007
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Originally posted by Juntai
He was making an analogy using other characters about a weaker character generating a lot of threat.

I see.

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Originally posted by Evil_Ash

I don't see how Superboy could be any more powerful than the freakin' Anti-Monitor.

Nobody ever said he was.

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Nobody ever said he was.

No, but it was implied.

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No, but it was implied.

No, it wasn't. sad

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I certainly agree that Anti-Monitor is more powerful than Superboy.

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Juntai
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Uhhh...?

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