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Okay.
There is no such thing as factually good or bad music. So far so good?
Okay.
There are opinions on music. There are. Good?
Okay.
Now, there might be opinions that say music is good or bad. Like yours. But that doesn't mean music is good or bad. It means you like the music or not or you think that it is good for whatever reasons though there is no absolute reason why it is. Good?
Get it?
Going to stop throwing around logical fallacies?
Okay?
Also:
I think if I'd perform brain surgery with a pencil in the dark on you, it could only improve. (You are an idiot)
Who are you to decide what people are referring to when they say "This is crap music."? Fact is, most people who say it aren't necessarily musically inclined enough to know what would be good composition or bad composition on a technical level anyway, so they are referring to...on a base level, what they hear.
What the hell are you flapping about? You're struggling even worse than you were before.
If I say "This movie is crappy." I mean the end product and only the end product. Spider-Man 3 has some technically well shot scenes, but I dislike the final product. It's entirely subjective.
The technique, composition and writing of music means nothing to this debate, all that matters is the end product; Is there an objectively good or bad end product, i.e; The music? Answer: No.
And before you suggest that technically good musicianship means the end product is also good, no it doesn't. Dream Theater prove that, Yngwie Malmsteen proves that.
Of course it doesn't, you idiot. As if everyone is thinking "Hmm, I really don't like this song, but also on a level of writing and composition.", yes. That's definitely what people always think, isn't it? Fool.
You're not even on thin ice anymore, you're actually drowning.
Do you want to get back on topic? Or are you that done for?
We're discussing music as an end product, not movies, not tv shows, not books, not anything technical. Hence why I'm discussing sound.
Yeah, it's audible representation is no good or bad, objectively. It's all subjective. That's all that was being discussed, the end product.
You were the one who brought in the pathetic idea of "People also mean it's crap on a compositional side.", because you're trying to get any possible reason to post.
Nobody is discussing composition or anything, that was never, ever the debate. It was ALWAYS about JUST the end product, so stop trying to shift your debate.
Bravo...thanks. Well, I think YOU maybe get it from the sounds of it...but what you just said doesn't jive with the two AC quotes I presented you with...(which were in contrast to my main post)...
I'll give bonus points if you point out where he's missing the argument...(quick, before he tries to make it seem like you do agree with him).
EDIT: Here's a hint...according to you people there's NO SUCH THING as good or bad music/music that sucks or rules...now, look at his quotes again.
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I'm clearly not missing the argument am I, you idiot.
You believe there is an objective standard/truth of what is good and bad, regarding the end product; Music. JUST the music, JUST what we hear. That was always your debate up until now, when you started bringing composition into it.
The answer, like it or not, is no, there is not.
It doesn't matter if anyone understands HOW you are presenting this belief or not, because at the end of it, that is what your belief is, the objective truth of a subjective medium, and it's bullshit.
I understand it, but my point is, I don't need to, nobody needs to understand further than your main point.
Oh, and stop this bs of saying I'm brainwashing people just because everyone whoops you. You're a mug.
First if all, you CAN'T say "I hate Oops I Did It Again" without referring to the essence of the song (the composition). Thing is, you still don't understand what a composition is...that's why you're saying stuff like "WhAT? Nobody knows about technical stuff!!!"
They don't know about...but that's what they're referring to when they say "I hate this song"...they're talking about the creation...not just the way it "sounds".
Seconf of all, when people say "I didn't like that movie" they're talking about what's been created...not just the way it "looks".
This is hard...really.
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Ok, then I said you can't make a statement like this one here...and then you both disagreed...
...But wait, there isn't even good or bad music to have an opinion about right?... so the ONLY thing YOU people could say regarding a person who says this about a Metallica song is "he's just made an opinion about NOTHING"...not, "well, that's just his opinion". And AC so responded with...
"Everyone has an opinion about what music is good or bad, and that's all there is."
"...we, as individuals, believe a band's music sucks or rules."
If he really understood what I said, he wouldn't have responded with this stuff.
Get it?
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Convince yourself of whatever you want, it's what you've been doing this whole time, it doesn't matter to me. Tell yourself Santa has a condo on the Moon if it makes you sleep. It becomes a problem when you convince yourself and then ignore everything else, whilst trying to force your convince belief on us, despite it being wrong.
Their opinion isn't pointless, at all. They think Metallica make good or bad music, that's their opinion. It's point is to exist, for them to have it.
I'm not sure if you're doing this on purpose or you really are that depressed that nothing you say can hold any water, but it's getting sad. I'd suggest salvaging dignity and letting the thread die, but to you, that would mean losing.
You're still maintaining you agree with him, huh? And you can't see what he's doing now can you?
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AC...when you say "this band sucks"..."Opeth rule" or "Lily Allen sucks"...or "Angels is s***" or "Michael Jackson made one of the best albums ever" or whatever...what do you mean?
Just answer this question......but first remember, you did say...
"Everyone has an opinion about what music is good or bad, and that's all there is."
"...we, as individuals, believe a band's music sucks or rules."
...so, your answer...
...(and don't you dare say what I think you're gonna say...because to THAT I'll have "Moonlight Sonata" prepared...I'll explain).
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EPIIIBITES, why would you WASTE your time trying to argue with anybody that is mentally challenged (and tone-deaf enough) to think that Ashlee Simpson’s “music” is actually worth listening to? Obviously people like that are completely ignorant and should be left alone.
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Nobody is saying it's worth listening to, I don't think it is, I think Ashlee Simpson's music is shit, but obviously, 2D, EPIIIBITES will love you now.
He's on the end of such an overwhelming backlash that he values anybody that remotely sides with him, even though he's wrong.
I'll say what I want, and my answer is the same as it always has been:
When I say those things I mean all of those things in my opinion. E.g: Robbie Williams' Angels is shit, in my opinion. Opeth rule, in my opinion. Just like Robbie Williams' Angels is a good song in your opinion.
You HATE me saying that because you know it's true, and there's nothing you can do about it.
Moonlight Sonata? Oooh scary. What? I love that song, but someone else might think it sounds horrible, they're not wrong. The Moonlight Sonata is not an exception just because it's famous and acclaimed, it's still subjected to the rules of musical perception.
There, now say something like "Oh my god! I can't believe you all agree with this guy!" so we can just get it over with. Not everyone does agree with the way I say things, actually. Everyone just disagrees with you cos you're wrong.
Thank you...so very, very much. I'm gonna quote the crap out of this post...just to prove my point.
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Bardock42...it's time.
THAT is what AC means when he says "this band sucks" etc.... So, I'm gonne give you one last chance to point out how you differ from what he's saying...and if you really don't think you differ from what he's saying, then oh boy...this is gonna be harder than I thought.
EDIT: I just read your last post...and again...that's NOT what he's saying. Just LOOK at what he's saying above...especially the second part.
It's not the same dude. Sorry...I know how much you love AC, but it's not the same. Check it out.
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Well im not sideing with him. I think it's sad that he would try to argue with people who are THAT BLIND, rather.. THAT DEAF. Besides, I'm not trying to make friends, most people on this forum are fawking nit- witts anyways...
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