Well, it's not really a "Thought Police" law, as it requires action to be arrested rather than mere thoughts. Describing it as such is a mischaracterization, unless I'm missing something.
And the law ought to have provisions to protect even the most deviant of individuals from attacks from others, be they child molesters, rapists, or goat-****ers.
However, what I find most amusing about this entire thread is that the people who are normally screaming about "SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE" and the First Amendment are supporting this law, which is in direct violation of the First Amendment.
For those of you a little rusty on what it says, allow me to refresh your memory:
Prohibiting the free exercise of religion? Arguable. Curtailing freedom of speech and press? Yes, and yes. Taking away the right to assemble peacefully? Yes.
Hmm. Three violations, and a fourth that is arguable.
Hypocrisy is failure.
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The article. Certainly it might be a very quick synopsis of what the legislation states, but I haven't seen the legislation so that's all I have to go on right now.
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Originally posted by FeceMan Well, it's not really a "Thought Police" law, as it requires action to be arrested rather than mere thoughts. Describing it as such is a mischaracterization, unless I'm missing something.
And the law ought to have provisions to protect even the most deviant of individuals from attacks from others, be they child molesters, rapists, or goat-****ers.
However, what I find most amusing about this entire thread is that the people who are normally screaming about "SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE" and the First Amendment are supporting this law, which is in direct violation of the First Amendment.
For those of you a little rusty on what it says, allow me to refresh your memory:
Prohibiting the free exercise of religion? Arguable. Curtailing freedom of speech and press? Yes, and yes. Taking away the right to assemble peacefully? Yes.
Hmm. Three violations, and a fourth that is arguable.
Hypocrisy is failure.
See and this here is the point.
Why does it even matter?
You charge the person for assault or whatever crime regardless of how they felt about a person's race, gender, orientation, etc....
It has no bearing on committing a crime, and the fact that this new bill focuses PURELY on adding homosexuality into it, without protection for troops being attacked for their service, or children/elderly for their ages, and that a clause introduced by the Republican congressman Mike Pence of Indiana which stated an "exception to the hate crimes law for Freedom of Religion" was flat-out rejected shows a clear bias and attempt to make it illegal to think homosexuality is wrong.
If it wasn't, then why not just punish for whatever crime was committed rather than what the person's feelings/thoughts were?
Let's play what if.
What if:
A gay person (or couple) visits a local church. Just to check it out or whatever. Maybe they're spiritual, maybe they aren't.
And somewhere in the service, they mention things going on in the culture.
Things like porn, abortion, murder, and..... homosexuality... as being part of the devil's attempts to destroy this society.
That such things are part of spiritual warfare and must be combatted with prayer.
That they should vote for those who believe as they do. (churches aren't allowed to endorse a particular candidate by name, but often say: "find those who have the same values as you do."
So basically, the church has said: Being gay is wrong. It is from the devil. We should fight it spiritually and with our actions(non-violent), words, and with our votes.
Under this new law, will the gay person or couple be able to accuse the pastor of a hate crime?
Uncertain for now, but I can see it leading that way soon enough.
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Originally posted by sithsaber408 It has no bearing on committing a crime, and the fact that this new bill focuses PURELY on adding homosexuality into it, without protection for troops being attacked for their service, or children/elderly for their ages, and that a clause introduced by the Republican congressman Mike Pence of Indiana which stated an "exception to the hate crimes law for Freedom of Religion" was flat-out rejected shows a clear bias and attempt to make it illegal to think homosexuality is wrong.
If it wasn't, then why not just punish for whatever crime was committed rather than what the person's feelings/thoughts were?
Its also illegal to attack other races as being inferior, or other religions...so whats your point besides the fact that you're a raging hypocrite? You're behind the times. If this was 40 years ago youd be whining about how your right to hate black people is being infringed upon.
Originally posted by Starhawk Personally I see nothing wrong with that, we should be doing all we can to push small minded beliefs out of society.
Why is it your place to decide what society believes and what it shouldn't?