Hand out warnings for spamming then..But according to your logic it's impossible to compare two characters from different universes. Which just isn't true... Read my first post
Nobody likes the comic book vs forum Right ..............Then why is there a new post there just about every minute, it's one of the most active forums on this site...
Exactly, people single out the vs forums and say there nothing but a huge spam fest, take a look at the OT forum, or the general discussion forum, it's littered with nuthuggers that don't debate but argue and spam.. I'm not saying this shit doesn't happen in the versus forum sometimes, but it's not the only place, and it's certainly not the worst one off
As much as i love the genres seperately, I find the idea of comparing their abilities a bit pointless. The characters were designed with each their own strength and weaknesses. The purpose of that is to make the characters interesting. This allows for dramatic and interesting plots. Comparing different characters is stupid because what your basically doing is saying on author/creator is shitter then another because their characters are not good enough against the other. I could make the world's strongest character and the world's shittest plot, but who would read or watch my material? NO ONE! because it'd be pointless cause the story would lack depth and story, which would make an all round peice of shit.
you say the GDF and the OTF is filled with crap, you may be half right about the OTF, but there there stuff people debate there at least involves more intellect, well not so much for the OTF, but I find their arguments less pointless.
Quick question. How many of the characters in the comic vs forum are compared with similar abilities, rank or status?
Considering that the comic book forum has a small post to thread ratio. I highly doubt that half the threads are intelectual or reasonable match-ups. Why the hell is the Karate kid and Chuck Norris in there?
Oh, let's just start rolling our eyes at the guy who knows this all better than you. Okay, go for it.
Nobody intellectual likes the Vs. forums. Not just the Comic Book Vs., but all of them. They're more trouble than they're worth.
I can't just hand out warnings left and right for people saying something silly, because that would be ridiculous. I'd quickly become the most hated person on KMC, because the smart people are outnumbered by the not-so-smart.
The OTF is made for it, so comparing a Vs. forum to the OTF is hardly a good example. Versus forums are meant for debating, but that rarely happens. It always resorts to bashing and is all together quite boring for me to go in, tell people to knock it off, and go.
How would you compare Luke Skywalker to Aragorn, honestly? Or Mario to the Hulk? The only way the vs forums even function properly is because each one is bound to set rules, Star Wars threads are bound to Star Wars rules, Comic threads are bound to comics rules, you start mixing them up and you have rules going everywhere, eg Master Chief vs Yoda, Yoda is at a supreme advantage seeing as he has the force and a lightsaber, either you give Master Chief the force to make it remotely even, or remove Yoda's force use, but you've interferred with the whole balance then.
As i mentioned earlier.What's the difference between that and comparing Crash Bandicoot to Solid Snake?Both are game charcters but are from different universes.Just because a characters come from comics or games doesn't put them in the same universe as other characters from the same genre.
That depends on the time of day.Both are close in activity.As of right now the OTF has 11 viewers and the comic vs forum has 9.Not that big of a difference.Like I said it's proabably more active than the majority if not all.
I agree 100% we should have a versus forum that involves TV/movie/video game/comic book related characters. Now the general complaint I see of why that can't happen around here are:
1. You can't compare the two
2. I hate vs threads
Will I'll show how you can solve the first problem. A cross match up might be hard to decide the winner if given the names alone. But if guidelines are given about the fight, it makes it much more easier to decide. Here are few examples:
Master Chief vs Yoda (our moderator friend's match up). The galaxy in which the Halo events and the galaxy in which the Star Wars events occur are in the same universe. So the force exist here as well as wookies, brutes and everything else featured in those two franchises. Master Chief can do everything he displayed in the games. Yoda can do everything he displayed in the movies.
Goku vs Mario. Fight takes place in the DBZ universe. Anyone who knows about the DBZ universe would know that ANYTHING in it can learn how to fly and shoot fireballs (which Mario already knows how to do). Whether it's an alien, human, or deer as long as they're skill enough and powerful enough. Mario has his abilities to become various battle modes via item absorbtion (leaf, feather, flower, metel box, etc) and his point bar gives you an idea how powerful he is. Fight takes place after Mario amps up his point bar by killing Frieza, Cell, and Buu.
Bart Simpson vs Ryu. Ryu at his power peak (Marvel vs Capcom would probably be this) against Bart Simpson. Bart can alter his self into his various forms he displayed in the shows and games (Bart the wizard, Stretch Dude, both the Batman and Superman versions of Bartman, etc) Superman Bartman mostly exist in the games, alot of them in the NES, SNES consoles. So looking at how powerful the Street Fighter characters became from Street Fighter for the SNES to MvsC, use that same power upgrades on NES, SNES Bartman.
And since how there are people who probably knows these characters and universes alot better than I do, shouldn't be "impossible" to decide an outcome. There was another site where there was a Goku vs Superman vs Chuck Norris vs Jesus vs Bruce Lee vs Mr. Rogers thread. And believe it or not, people were able to debate and decide the outcome. FYI given your reasoning, it would be impossible to EVER decide which video game characters can beat one another, because the overall determining factor of how tough a video game character becomes depends on the people playing the character. Also if people have trouble deciding who can beat who, had you ever thought that the people can simply skip that thread and move onto the next one instead?
Compared to what? The ratio looks about the same to me compared to the other forums. A "Goku vs Superman" thread had 163 post. 213+ if you count other "Goku vs Superman" threads that I found. Small ratio indeed.
Okay what are you talking about? We're just taking two characters and deciding who can beat who. Not making a movie of where the two characters go through tons mystical journeys and character developments. Don't get me started on that whole "offend creator/author" defense. If I created my own characters. Character A is a street leveler like Wolverine, and character B is the guardian of the planet. Then someone made their own characters whose on par with A and B. I wouldn't be offended if people say that person's B can beat my A, because I'll probably agree with them. Then there's the part that these creators/authors should already feel their characters are "crappy" because people are saying this comic character can beat that comic character. Makes no difference what medium are they from.
Narrow minded here are we? I've seen vs threads on other sites than this one, and the majority of people don't really take them that seriously. There were numerous people on the comic vs forum that included joke weaknesses and vulnerabilities that were in the comics. We don't all have to be serious.
Also you guys are exaggerating the bashing that goes around there. Compared to bashing that happens on other sites on general topics, it's very tamed there. Most of the bashing I see there consist of two types. Bashing the medium which they came from. For example in a movie Ghostrider vs Smallville Clark Kent thread, the bashing was of how much they dislike the Ghostrider film and the show Smallville. The second type is bashing of the character. For example some people don't like Sentry, and calling his feats PIS or CIS. Both of these bashings are going to occur whether it's Captain America vs Spiderman or Thanos vs Spongebob Squarepants.
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...where did you come from that you can whip out all this analysis of KMC, eh?
Halo & Star Wars are not even remotely the same universe. All genres are entirely separated; they're not going to be within the same space-time continuum. Likewise with the rest of that. People would bicker with us to the end of time if we said anything remotely close...
Likewise on a rule saying 'Assume that they have all abilities.'
Ultimately, it's down to the moderators and whether or not we feel we or anyone else could handle the mess. We decided 'No' months and months ago.
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I've never claimed they were from the same universe. I'm aware all these people are from different universes. I'm also aware most comic heroines are from their own little universe. Like how Spiderman, Fantastic Four, Daredevil, etc are all from New York, yet none of them had ever encountered or even know one another until the creators feel like doing a crossover. I was merely giving out an example of how to compare the two. And if you thought I was suggesting you guys give out the guidelines. I would had said no to that idea. I meant the people who made the thread give out the guidelines. You know those same people who came up with the match, lets you know their prep time, where it takes place, any special condition, what not, etc. So one match might have Master Chief being transported to Star Wars universe, another might have Yoda being transported to Halo universe, and another might have the merging of both worlds. Nothing on the forum will be definite, just what the so thread outlines. You could balance, or unbalance a match like this. People could get creative this way. And as I said before, if people have trouble deciding a result, they can simply skip that thread and move onto the next. I also have to say for people who hate vs threads, you seem to be making a big deal out of it.
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I don't see what the big deal is. I mean, "vs. anything" forums work well in every other forum on the damn planet that has them.
The only problem I see is that the existing Mods don't want to have to go through the trouble of moderating them. However, I think that if the current Mods don't feel up the task, why not just promote some of our senior, respectable members to do it?
Or at least do a test trial, have a Vs. everything forum for a week and observe the results, then form conclusions on how much trouble or lack there of will be started.
Nobody's saying they are from the same universe... But how do two characters from the same genre (video games for example) make there universe's any more related?? it doesn't, Mario and Dante are from the same genre but there universe's couldn't be any more different.
There are many practical difficulties. For example, a vs. anything forum would technically be able to have any of the fights that happen in existing vs. forums. But clear opinion on this area has been that the existing patrons want only their own areas to have that kind of contest allowed, and meanwhile nor do they want to lose their distinct sections in a merger.
The other sites have them is pretty irrelevant. We're only interested in judging the situation we have here, and the heavy consensus has been that it is simply not worth it. It really adds little ot the forums and is a disproportionately awkward thing to maintain.
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If people like it and it becomes a success. We can simply delete all the other vs forums since they aren't necessary anymore. We'll only have to watch over one big forum instead of many little ones.
They certainly can depending on how people make the match ups.
On a unrelated note: How do you put more than one quotes on your replies without opening a second window?
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..............Then why is there a new post there just about every minute, it's one of the most active forums on this site...
May 15th, 2007 04:50 AM
Or Mario to the Hulk? The only way the vs forums even function properly is because each one is bound to set rules, Star Wars threads are bound to Star Wars rules, Comic threads are bound to comics rules, you start mixing them up and you have rules going everywhere, eg Master Chief vs Yoda, Yoda is at a supreme advantage seeing as he has the force and a lightsaber, either you give Master Chief the force to make it remotely even, or remove Yoda's force use, but you've interferred with the whole balance then. 
