You're making yourself look really silly now. Thanos isn't equivalent to Darkseid in Marvel. He was originally meant to be (with IG and all that), but he is (by comparison to Darkseid) a bit of a fringe player. And his whole service to death phase just makes him less menacing e.g. Darkseid subjugates earth in Final Crisis murdering many a super hero in the process and turning Earth into one of his colonies, to put it simply Earth becomes as dystopic as Apokolips. Thanos doesn't occupy such a position in Marvel.
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Iboga chose not to fight, to allow himself to evolve. He had the wisdom to abandon the actions of war when he knew they would no longer serve him.
He still needs to work on all the plans to get these artifacts.
No intellect, or risk is involved to acquire the artifacts... what? Did you read Thanos Quest, or The End? Or any story involving Thanos?
Anyway, he's also done stuff such as taking out both Hunger and Galactus at the same time, and due to his plan, Omega was destroyed. Improved some of the most advanced races in the universe's tech, etc. If you think he's only a one-trick poney, then you're sorely mistaken.
With the IG, it's all shown (on-panel), and with the HOTU, everything was against him saying that it doesn't exist, and yet he still researched, and researched, and eventually found it. Almost all the time Thanos's plots are shown, but you can't very well take up a whole story arc explaining the intricacies of his plans.
He might lose everything because he takes risks, because in his universe ultimate power involves overwhelming risk, not some dopey Elders.
That's what you don't get, Darkseid represents true evil, ultimate and final domination so in his stories writers don't play around. Kirby had the idea of a saga with the new gods a powerful and ultimately tragic saga. Thanos is the PG-13 version of Darkseid down to the "immune to death" clause in his profile.
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Iboga chose not to fight, to allow himself to evolve. He had the wisdom to abandon the actions of war when he knew they would no longer serve him.
Again I'm not arguing against Thanos' intellect merely questioning the validity that he is better at prep. And I have read Quest (some years ago) and I'm familiar with other Thanos stories, again if you read the IG saga, the HOTU acquisition and others the risk was not really there. He wasn't forced to rethink or be creative or be incresingly inventive in those situations. For instance he toyed with many of the so called Elders.
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Iboga chose not to fight, to allow himself to evolve. He had the wisdom to abandon the actions of war when he knew they would no longer serve him.
Thanos has greater feats in terms of power. Thanos wouldnt set his goals as low as enslaving earth. He wants the universe and has held in his grasp how many times. Darkseid just continually drops the ball.
Taking on an abstract level being... and having to will through raw power or else be destroyed...
There's also the massively powerful beings guarding the HOTU.
Anyway, great point, I hadn't thought of it like that.
to gain the ig he had to manipulate/trick wistress death as well,because he had a ulteria motive,would you say thats not risky?or taking galactus head on in his own ship to try and prevent and disaster by galactus own actions
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Going around and beating up the Elders and taking their gems is a plan that requires great intellect to formulate? His most impressive move during that entire bit was using a Thanos robot to go up against the Grandmaster.
My god! What GENIUS! Doom, Luthor, Darkseid, Nick Fury, Maria Hill and countless others have been doing that for YEARS.
This is what it comes down to; Thanos' plans are ridiculously simple, but anyone trying to thwart him are apparently not smart enough to overcome those simple plans.
Hahaha, they sound great when you just give the broad strokes, don't they?
But then you give the specifics, and suddenly they fall apart.
Kirby's Darkseid was far from absolute evil. He was a far more complex character than 100% of the villains out there at the time, and 99% of the villains out there today.
Simonson showed the same.
Morrison is taking a different tact, and that's his choice, but it has nothing to do with the way that Kirby established his characterization.
All well and good but he has the whole immune to death clause. As for death herself what story line are you talking about, don't tell me the IG stories?
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Iboga chose not to fight, to allow himself to evolve. He had the wisdom to abandon the actions of war when he knew they would no longer serve him.
Yes, the IG storyline. He told death that the Infinity Gauntlet would multiply his powers by 10 when in fact they would do much much more (making him her superior).
I said he is a representation of evil. I didn't say he is 100% evil. His will to dominate is the overriding theme of his character. He allows no remorse or compassion and he seeks the ability to control all life. What has changed? He doesn't do things for evil's sake (no one is saying that) but he wants to order existence according to his rules.
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