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Simple example is that almost all things on said city street can still be used. A car can be used as transport for said human, as cover, as a weapon itself if the enemy doesn't have the physical strength to stop a car moving at high speeds. Even a stop sign can be used as cover to help avoid a hit which even a single one can change a match over to a win. Buildings used to hide and evade the enemy, used to cause misdirection to which then a car could be rigged to give the enemy the idea that they are trying to escape, pulling their attention from the building to let the human fashion something from the resources. Hint: Being Resourceful.
I've won in an RP fight where my only weapon was a handgun and a knife, I had no powers and no natural abilities beyond that of a human. My opponent was called a Demon Lord. He was immune to bullets, his flesh could regenerate so stabbing or cutting was generally ineffective. He could cause fire at the snap of his fingers wherever he wanted, could move twice as fast as a well trained human and could lift a truck over his head. I took cover in a building to avoid his sight and fire, caused a distraction by blowing up the engine of a car to buy myself some time, then fashioned a bomb from things I found inside of the building. I lured him into the building and took a hit but escaped and blew the building, causing it to crash down on him, rendering me the victor. This is just an example of when it happened to me and I highly doubt I'll get out of it without being told it's me stroking my ego but there you go.
EDIT: And after reading your previous comment, all I have to say is that if you're saying that skill is absolutely the ONLY thing they have going for them and otherwise they're a out of shape, moronic, generally weak person then that's not even a discussion we're having. As people see in anime or games, the underdog can typically overcome the enemy through some miraculous means. Miraculous wins are very possible in RP without godmodding or planning, since everything that happens is based on a desire for enjoyment. To create a situation where there is absolutely no way at all for an unarmed human to defeat a godly character in RP is just a very bad RP.
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I see no raisin why I should get involved sooooooooo what's your favourite flavour of Crush soda? Mine is probably lime but pineapple and cream soda are both pretty boss choices
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His weakness was his speed (twice as as human isn't even as fast as a car), it was slow enough that like you said a car still worked and lack of any hyper senses made it more like fighting a guy in a tank which is possible to win. He had great power in his fire ability and his immunity to shrapnel but he was in the range of human power through weaponry and tactics. My whole point is not every situation is like that. Say instead of twice as fast he moved at the speed of sound, suddenly the fight changes. Or if he was immune to anything short of a nuke, and could see through walls, or simply teleport. I always say skill and tactics matter, but you have to have the means to do some damage. Your character did, just as a guy can take out a tank if he is smart enough and quick enough. But that is one specific situation, the point being not all will be like that. some fights also work better in some environments then others, and you also need to take in the account that the foe could have a degree of his own intelligence. The example is much less extreme then mine, which is my point. There is a limit, and the key to balance is the possibility to do damage in some way because only then does skill take effect.
Even in anime, which I'm also a big fan of they tend to have a means to hurt them still. When they don't tends to be the earlier battles when they lose and have to escape. There tends to be situations in anime and movies where their skill isn't enough and they need help.
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Wrong, because you don't have to do damage to win. To win a fight, you just have to defeat the opponent. Like against the Hulk, my solution wouldn't be to kill him but to trap him. How do you trap the hulk, you put him into a situation that he can't push out of. Drop him into a hole that cannot be climbed and drop something heavy on him. Sure he can push that something heavy up but he can't push himself up and that heavy object can be kept from being pushed out by covering the hole. That means he can't get at the hole cover itself thus you can't be touched. That qualifies as a win in combat and is possible even for a human.
There is no possible means that an unarmed human (or any vehicle that a person in real life could access on land) can move something big enough or create a hole large enough to trap the hulk. That's just impossible. You'd have to have outside help or tailor it like that. The strength needed alone, would be so high you could just fight him straight up and it wouldn't be skill.
Speed is even worse than strength, since after a point they move faster then you can react or even think.
There are some situations a person can't win.
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We are talking big or heavy enough to make it so the Hulk can't muscle his way out of it and kill you. So we are talking insanely heavy to the point it wouldn't be skill.
Phoenix is going off of plot devices, divine luck and winning for the sake of a story and enjoyment over thinking about it realistically. Phoenix sounds like she's more into writing the scene and making a picture than she is about the complete realism.
Jalek, who I've known for quite some time is saying that looking at things from a realistic standpoint and putting some realism in his plays instead of divine luck where the Smurfs use a spell that Loki knew nothing about and it counters all of his plans in one swoop. He's never the type to put some powered character against a weak person with the intent of killing them or just being a douche but if you're playing James Bond in his game and you step up to Loki who was ignoring you and threaten him and attack him, then you have to live with the consequences and realize that your human just stepped up to a god who could turn him into a frog with a snap. Rocky Balboa with 3 years of training and planning still can't beat Goku whereas Spider-Man does have a chance to beat She-Hulk, Thing, etc. They're more powerful than he is but he has other ways of making up for that. Spider-Man isn't beating Galactus under any circumstance though.
At least that's what I see from the both of you. I may be wrong.
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But a single human given the time during the fight can tailor it themselves so the situation is plausible. Against someone who is very fast, you MUST accept that their strength could be that of a human. Otherwise you're building up more of a situation and then even getting into that situation begins to not make sense. To begin with, why is there a regular human without powers in an RP fighting against a being with much much more power in an environment that could in no way be beneficial to said human who would also be unarmed? Who is playing that character and what possible reason are they in that situation for?
That's assuming the stronger foe doesn't kill them first. There are many situations where an underpowered person can be fighting and over powered one. the easiest is simply being in the area the creature or person is attacking. I'm not looking at from a rp tournament standpoint, I'm looking at it via the world and story as a whole.
Well I suppose in all but extraordinary writing circumstances the most broken marvel character ever to exist, he must be incapacitated at times in one of the many series he's in, and one could in theory calm him down to safe condition, which isn't a sparring match rules win but it's walking out alive.
But was the situation that caused this debacle about fighting hulk?
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No, I'm not talking about that using divine luck, plot divices and story to win. I'm saying that there are realistic ways where it is possible. Batman for example has no powers, but he can stand up against some incredible situations with even super powered beings simply using the resources he has at his disposal. Tony Stark, even when losing his suit, still had the intelligence to find ways to defeat his foes despite them having powers. Widow managed to avoid being "smashed" by the Hulk despite his ability to just walk through anything that was put between them.
You know what it's freakin hard to find except in the Caribbean islands and such, and in europe, pineapple was a huge flavour last time I was there. Im not huge on pineapples but the juice and soda is delish
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Batman has enough resources to be considered a super power, same with Stark. Their resources are more then entire 1st world governments have. Yes she managed to avoid him, but let's say she had to fight comic hulk with only what she keeps on her. unless she has better weapons then I know she would lose and could never win.
That skill can over take any power gap, which i strongly disagree with. And yes everyone's lost but some people won't lose to others without special circumstances.
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Winning doesn't always meant Death. Winning means getting out alive. It was never a question if a human can kill a god, but if they could defeat them. And how is what I said dealing with RP Tournaments? In an RP story, why is this random human played by someone who has no equipment in a situation where they must fight against a God like character on a terrain where it does not benefit them at all? What purpose in the RP is that there? Did this person just decide "Ooh, I'm gonna target this person for no particular reason as opposed to the billions around them."
Getting out alive isn't winning, getting out alive is surviving. Winning means the other loses. It doesn't matter why, the fact that you have to try to make it so the situation doesn't exist only proves my point. that skill doesn't counter all. Bringing up batman does as well, since he wins via complex resources that in many cases does overpower his foe or otherwise nullifies them with their weaknesses. When you need to rely on extremely complex devices and years of study, it's not skill winning that fight. Its a valid win, but not the same as your skill when you come in with kryptonite you store in your vault and a freaking suit of mech armor. He knows he can't win on his raw skill she he stacks the fight in his favor, which is how the little guy should win. Not because he's a skilled and smart fighter.
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