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Did a historical Jesus exist?
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Patient_Leech
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How come nobody found Jesus' bones?

You'd think with all the dinosaur bones and pharaoh bones we find, someone would have found Jesus bones.


Uh, hello... he rose from the dead and ascended to heaven. No bones to find!

(convenient excuse, I know)


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Just reposting for this new thread page...

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It's a good, concise summary, but I just wish it wasn't read like one big run-on sentence...


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Uh, hello... he rose from the dead and ascended to heaven. No bones to find!

(convenient excuse, I know)
Oh yeah.

Wait, then how come no one else gets to keep their bones in heaven?

Hacks! I call hacks!


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How come nobody found Jesus' bones?

You'd think with all the dinosaur bones and pharaoh bones we find, someone would have found Jesus bones.



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Uh, hello... he rose from the dead and ascended to heaven. No bones to find!

(convenient excuse, I know)



Well that's a non win situation for Christians (and Muslims who also believe he was raised up to Heaven, but don't believe he died first).

If you find his bones, it proves their theology wrong, if you don't find his bones, it's a "convenient excuse" for them

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Well that's a non win situation for Christians (and Muslims who also believe he was raised up to Heaven, but don't believe he died first).

If you find his bones, it proves their theology wrong, if you don't find his bones, it's a "convenient excuse" for them
laughing out loud

Jesus exists, we found his bones floating in the Bosporos river.

Wait, you said he rose into heaven, bones included.

Then they're Noah's?


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Well that's a non win situation for Christians (and Muslims who also believe he was raised up to Heaven, but don't believe he died first).

If you find his bones, it proves their theology wrong, if you don't find his bones, it's a "convenient excuse" for them


Play stupid games win stupid prizes. That's why it's good to not believe stupid, unrealistic things in the first place. It's a belief that is unfalsifiable.

And there are plenty other compelling reasons to not take the religion seriously, so don't really give a shite about finding or not finding his bones.


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Yes there was a historical Jesus (Yeshua). What there never has been is Evolution.


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Oh boy here we go...

IF Jesus existed (which is a big if) the earliest writings weren't written until decades after his life, so not eyewitnesses. Even Apologists agree to this. No major historians of the time mention Jesus. And the 1 or two that do are obvious forgeries from the Middle ages.

So IF he existed and the myths are based on a real person, he was just another mundane preacher, and the story embellishments were added much later. Which kind of negates the whole point of Christianity, now doesn't it?

On top of that it was common practice to euhemerize supernatural figures, that is to place them into an historical setting (probably makes them more relatable, ya know?).

It's a very inconvenient fact for apologists that there are documented dying-and-rising deities predating Jesus (Mithras, Osiris, Dyonysus, Zalmoxis, Innana, Adonis, Romulus, Asclepius, Baal, etc) that were also euhemerized. Probably best to ignore and obfuscate this fact? Somehow Jesus was different, yes?

Snap out of it and stop trolling us.


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According to Greek and Hebrew texts, Jesus existed. The citations that you have quoted are lies.


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Assurance of Accuracy
It’s known that the Gospel writers, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, wrote more than 30 years after the death and resurrection of Jesus. Therefore, it’s reasonable to wonder how they could remember all the Lord’s words accurately. This was anticipated by Jesus. And it was answered by Him:

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


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As the Gospel writers penned God’s words, the Holy Spirit brought to their minds both the things that had happened and the words that had been spoken. This is what is meant when we say that the Bible is God-breathed, or God-inspired (2 Timothy 3:16). So the answer to the question about the gospel writers is that they were able to accurately remember and record Jesus’ words because the Holy Spirit brought them to their memories and inspired them to write them accurately.

Additionally, we can be sure that Jesus’ words were accurately remembered and written because God has assured us of this.


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1. God proclaimed that His words are true.
Prov 30:5 Every word of God is pure…

2. Jesus proclaimed that God’s words are true.
John 17:17 “Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.

3. Paul proclaimed the truth of God’s Word.
1 Th 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually works also in you that believe.

4. God said that He would reveal truths to His people.
Deut 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

1 Cor 2:9 But as it is written: “Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.” {10} But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. {11} For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.

{12} Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. {13} These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

5. God gave His words to His people.
Exo 19:6 …. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

6. Jesus gave the Father’s words to His followers.
John 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me;

7. God promised His words would not depart.
Isa 59:21 …my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed’s seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.

8. Jesus promised the eternality (preservation) of His words.
Matt 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away

Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.


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