to me sometimes i hate the clone, avatar business. but with what thanos was doing in celestial quest it makes perfect sense that it wasnt the real deal, in my opinion. darthgoober in ur opinion whos more powerful tyrant or odin?
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then you are speculating that the hotu upgrades were=>orb's ability to amp his energy for that tyrant fight. can't really say that definitively. comparing thanos before and after the hotu debacle is hard to do. he was more powerful, but how MUCH more powerful is pretty much impossible to say. we always use the most current versions in debates, so the tyrant fight is meaningless anyway.
I'd easily put Tyrant at full power over Odin by a decent margin. As for the depowered version....I really couldn't say because a lack of showings on his part. He DID defeat 6 top tiers simultaneously, but Odin seemed to have an easier time taking out Surfer and Drax than Tyrant did. So I'd probably say that Odin was more powerful, but probably not by very much(if Odin was a 10, Tyrant would be an 8 or 9).
see to me i give depowerd tyrant a nod over odin. in the two fights with thanos. thanos was definitely in better shape in the odin fight and it lasted longer. in the tyrant fight he left becuz he knew if he stayed that he would most likely die. tyrant in his depowered state was beating galactus in silver surfer 108. tyrant never lost to anyone outside galactus.
I honestly think he did better against Tyrant than he did against Odin. Against Odin Thanos got in a shot or two and kept getting back up, but he didn't really mount an effective offense. He got knocked around a lot by Tyrant, but his offense was much more effective than it was against Odin.
look at the damage on thanos though compared to when he fought odin. he was singed against odin but against tyrant he looked worse. thanos left against tyrant. against odin he was going to press on. thanos isnt stupid and belived he still had a shcnace in the odin fight as opposed to the tyrant one where he knew he should leave cuz he really could get killed. its a shame but i thought tyrant was very cool and his run was way to short. he has no losses against anyone other than big g. that was when he was fully powered to. depowered tyrant didnt lose. i dont think odin could walyz in and challenge galactus and have him bleed and make him scared like tyrant did.
But you have to remember that Thanos and the rest considered Thor to be a threat to the entire universe and Odin was their only shot at curing him. That's some powerful motivation not to retreat the way he did with Tyrant. And even though Tyrant doesn't have any losses to anyone but Galactus, he was still unable to one shot Surfer the way that Odin did, and he was affected more by the blast's from Surfer than Odin was also.
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then you get into the whole debate about whether tyrant was more powerful than odin, something that is anything but clear. imo tyrant was likely about = odin.
ss's showing against odin (which you used as a comparison above) was later contradicted as odin needed ss's powers to help bill and even odin was shocked by ss's power. inconsistent showings make the comparisons enormously difficult. i still see no way to determine the affects of the orb vs the affects of the hotu power-up, but, it doesn't matter that much to me to continue with the debate.
Well I personally consider a depowered Tyrant to be just below Odin, but as I said there's really not much in the way of feats to go off of so I could be wrong.
I don't remember Odin being surprised by Surfer's power, just shocked that Surfer up and altered the form of Bill's hammer in the middle of the procedure. And anyway, Odin needing Surfer's help REEKS of PIS since all Surfer was supposed to do was kill the virus while Odin repaired the cellular damage. I mean come on, he's the All Father but he can't kill a virus?
but wasnt fighting more than just the surfer. wasnt it just surfer and thanos vs odin for the most part as surfer was taken out quickly. tyrant still crushed surfer as well. but to me he was laying the smack down on thanos more than odin was. thanos was charging odin. i still dont see odin challenging galactus the way depowered tyrant did. but i guess we have to agree to disagree.
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Not sure if this is still a topic (i tried to read all the post after)
Thanos definetly used the orb for more than a bashing weapon,he might have only used the orb like a blaster gun,but it definetly was used more than a bashing melee weapon.....is the question did he power himself up for the tyrant battle with the orb....i say yes
Now is the question did thanos power up with the orb after the tyrant fight when he probes it.......yes imo thanos equating knowledge with power would lead me to believe so
Just my opinion...but i can say he used the orb for more than a bashing weapon while he fought tyrant there is no doubt in my mind...but its hard for me to tell if anyone is actually saying that it was just a bashing weapon?
thats what is so hard on this particular instance. we all have such differing opinions on the same panels of comics. it can be frustrating sometimes. but lets all agree to disagree in some way or another.
The problem is, that Thanos only had three fights in between this time.
After he destroyed Surfer, teleported Champ, and the Walker fight. None of which really needed a whole lot of power, since he also knew what he had to do to destroy Walker.
Plus, the panels says that he has used the power more than once, so it's not like, even if we follow real time, that it took eight years to manifest.
Not everything has to be drawn to know it happened. He knows the effects, etc.
It says that he has used it before, and a clone brings it up now.
The problem is, that CQ makes the least sense for a ret-con ever...
First off, he was only involving a couple people, that turned into a big thing. And, it's not really out of character, since (I know you don't count the HOTU as canon, but...) Thanos spent a year following the HOTU in an attempt to gain power after.
He was the one who saved the day.
He never got beat, and in fact, had some powerful feats.
He was able to freely talk with abstracts.
Plus, Death loved him in that instance...
He also turned away Death, like he did in his mini series, so...
Of course, it could just have to do with Starlin ret-conning anything that he wasn't involved with...
The thing is, if we follow the upgrade, he never said he couldn't control it. He just said it drove him mad (which, driving Thanos mad doesn't say much).
He clearly displayed a couple pages later that he could control it, when he absorbed and let out a blast that destroyed Rot, and made Eternity scream (I guess).
And as do I, to you.
The thing is though, even if we follow this.
Thanos didn't do anything with an orb that would increase his power, other than study it? That doesn't really make sense to me...