I think it's more like "reality-rewrite". I remember an episode of Star Trek where Q was turned human and he mentioned that the only way to save the dying planet was to "change the universal gravitational constant". I see it like more-or-less similar in manner (tho not in magnitude).
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^ Yeah I can agree with that. Its sometimes a little blurry where the line between matter manip and reality manip/rewriting is but as an overall classification i think the feat falls into the latter camp.
I think reality manip feats can sometimes encompass a matter manipulation component when taken to their logical conclusions.
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Lol, abhi in a Surfer respect thread. I wonder why he's here?
No where does it say Surfer is using the Illuminatrix to send out the destruct code.
In fact, the first panel shows Surfer destroying the Illuminatrix and in the third panel he states "Now with my Power Cosmic I am sending out a far stronger signal. A destruct code."
Surfer literally says he's using his Power Cosmic to send out the signal, not the Illuminatrix.
I agree that matter manipulation might not be the best term, it seems more akin to reality warping.
I read somewhere that they were going the "Dr. Who" type storytelling for the new Surfer comics. That may include the strange plot-devicey nature storytelling of it as well.
Dialogue is quite clear, tho. He beat the Illuminatrix at its own game. Unless we're missing some pages that state otherwise.
It's a one-of plot-devicey uber "feat". Kinda like how ppl like to tout supersinging, I guess. /shrug
Regardless of how we label the feat, it clearly involved a very profound and skillful deployment of power cosmic, altering matter/reality on both an intimate level and vast scale.
BTW, the artist's style is so nostalgically Kirbyesque. His Ben Grimm is superb.
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Agree. Love the art style and the comic is easy to read and follow so it's something I actually plan on reading as soon as my addiction to a new game is all done. :P
You should try Marvel Heroes 2016, game is free to play and Surfer is a badass in it.
I didn't say it was reality warping, more like reality-rewriting. Changing one part of it to affect the whole (see my analogy).
Except that the dialogue competely disagrees with you and I quote:
"Every planet the Illuminatrix restructured it did so with a code, the complex culture of my people"
"Now with the power cosmic, I am sending out a far stronger code."
He didn't say he was sending the code thru the Illuminatrix, he never mentions that he is using the illuminatrix at all. He is quite clearly using the PC to do what the Illuminatrix is doing (rewriting reality).
He is able to do so because he understands how the machine works (aka he understands the method of how the machine rewrites reality) and he simply used the PC to duplicate said method only on a much stronger scale (to affect the universe all at once). Heck, the Illuminatrix couldn't affect the Earth at the speed that the Surfer affected the universe, otherwise it would have changed Earth right away, wouldn't it?
Touching it has really nothing to do with him using the machine. There's no clear explanation why on panel, but if I was to hazard a guess, one would think that if one wanted to rewrite code, it would mean first cancelling the code that runs most strongly in the complete opposition of said rewrite and that if such an effort took everything you had, you'd want to be as close as possible to max out your chances. I mean if Superman was touching the hull of a spaceship before he punches it, you don't think someone arguing that Superman used the ship to destroy itself would sound a bit absurd, would you?
And what does it affecting him have anything to do with him using the machine? You act like characters can't affect themselves with their own powers.
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Your entire argument is predicated on "he is touching it thus he was using it". Even tho nothing ever explicitly mentions him using it at all and he specifically mentions that he was using the Power Cosmic to do it and that his rewrite was far faster than what the machine was capable of doing based on the story. You'll have to forgive me if I disagree as the dialogue and story completely contradicts your theory.
I mean it's right there. In quotes.
Yes, a far stronger code using the Power Cosmic.
Surfer affects himself with his powers all the time. He's sculped his own body and changed its form many times using his PC, is it so far fetched for him to affect his memories? I mean what's so strange about this?
Don't know about the miracle machine Superman "feat", I mean this IS a Surfer respect thread after all.
Nice job disproving his cries. This happens to him all the time. He recently claimed Tha is had an arm blown off when the art didn't even show that. He's just a petty superman fanboy.
Not sure what that'll accomplish (unless it's a BZ type thread with judges and everything). We both know you'll never accept this "feat" as how it the dialogue shown. :P
I wil also admit that there might well be clarifications in the future that would make such debates moot as well. Best we wait til next issue as I'm sure they'll clarify it further by then.
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