It's an image worth pondering for a moment. Maybe, when you cut past the instrumental and songwriting virtuosity, the funny voices and characters, what is left is a man alone in his recording studio for days at a time.
At the complete opposite, other end of the spectrum, has anyone heard of kate Nash? She is creating quite a stir in the mainstream music scene in England. This truly does sadden me as her lyrics have to be heard to be believed, they are so, so shite that it is laughable and her music is even worse. She is stealing a living, truly horrific....
As far as great songwriters go i'd say the usual sort of names, Johnny marr, Springsteen, Bob Dylan, John Fogerty, Lennon/mcartney, Billy Joel, Elton John, Phil Lynott, Neil Finn, Bob Marley , Smokey Robinson, pete Townsend, Michael Stipe, Tom Waits, Thom Yorke, Neil Young...
And you said I shouldn't like him. Well, you know what: to bad for you. I've got a wide taste in music and I don't see anything wrong with that. And I suggest 'You go out, now' as I'm not really interested in your opinion when you're acting like that - rude and giving me comments I can't take seriously. Who are you to define what's good and what's bad? Music is subjective - and if you even knew Williams, you would know he writes his own stuff, and he's been collaborating with Chambers.
And as for Jewel - I love her songs, whether or not you agree or disagree. Her songs means a lot to me, but I'm not giving you a reason why - as I don't really feel you're entitled to know. Not now at least.
Regards, Yvonne
__________________ - Reader, I married him (Jane Eyre)
The happiness now, will be part of the pain then.
Teaching is an act of love.
I never said you shouldn't like him, I made a humourous remark that suggests you are stupid (Again, in joke) for liking him. However, he does not write his own songs. He has someone write them for him then takes the credit because he was in the studio at the time. That's a fact.
Me sitting next to Picasso telling him what to paint doesn't make me a painter. If you can't do it yourself, you are not worthy of being labelled such.
I am aware music taste is subjective, but being a songwriter is not. Williams isn't. Deal with it.
A) You have? I'm surprised you even bothered look them up. B) Yes, very much so. When you're being rude to me, I can be very much rude to you.
Strange, I didn't find it very humourous at the time. Maybe because of the tone in your message? And how do you actually know that he's in the studio and then takes the credit. How can that possibly be a fact, when I gather you've never been there and seen it for himself.
No, it doesn't. Luckily for me.
Such arrogance. You must really get off on annoying everyone else who doesn't agree with you. And how can you even say that? He's the best songwriter in my opinion. You're not going to change my mind. Ever. Unless you actually have some evidence. And songwriting is very much subjective. You just can't stand that people have other opinions than you. That much is obvious by now. So how do you actually know when a song is good? Is it the length then? Or maybe the melody? Or what about composition? Or maybe the words? Because you see - we do value different things. And that's also why songwriting is very much subjective.
Done with harassing me? Good. Because you don't need to contact me any further. Actually - I'm done writing to you. You want me to go, you actually said so. And infact yes - I was hurt. Because you're just like every other guy who bullied me through school. I'm not going to let you bully me any further by being rude and giving remarks I don't deserve.
So I take you're advice, I'm out of here.
Regards, Yvonne
__________________ - Reader, I married him (Jane Eyre)
The happiness now, will be part of the pain then.
Teaching is an act of love.
Last edited by yvonnekarate on Sep 13th, 2007 at 01:26 PM
No. You don't seem to grasp the fact that he doesn't.
It wasn't rude, it was pointless. Saying "I doubt you know these people." doesn't prove anything nor serve a purpose. It was odd for you to reply that way.
Why come back so long after it had died down, so long after I can expressed it as humour, and start crying about it? That's what I want to know.
Have you ever read the credits to one of his albums? My sister happens to own them.
Reply with some sense, woman, or don't reply at all.
He is not a songwriter, you fool.
Go read the album notes, his name isn't there, save for lyrics. He does not write music, at all. Songwriting is NOT subjective when it comes down to what constitutes it. If you do not write songs, you are not a song WRITER.
We are not discussing SONG QUALITY, Robbie Williams is NOT a songwriter. THAT is the issue. I don't care that you mentioned Jewel, she writes her own songs.
Oh stop being such a drama queen. You kicked this off for no reason.
I'm not bullying you, this is a forum and people here speak in such a heated way to each other all the time. Don't turn up and expect it to change, or worse. YOU bumped this ages after it had died and I had already expressed that I was joking.
Robbie Williams is NOT a songwriter, THAT is the issue. Not you liking his music.
I don't need you to change your mind, you're the one who's wrong.
Stop saying "You want me out of here.", I couldn't care any less whether you stay or go, but if you're doing to stay, at least stop pushing a belief that is wrong.
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