Because they knew how to create atmosphere arround him on that series. He rarely showed up and when he did, he just tanked anything thrown at him. His plans were always larger than life and stopping him always required some superdramatic character focused moment and a plot device to boost.
Also, I don't think that Magneto would be able to manipulate or affect Celestial Technology. Theoretically, Apocalypse could transform himself into a material that can't be affected by Magneto's powers, something similar to Iron Man or Dr. Doom nullifying his powers. Celestial Technology is almost magical in nature and Magneto can't affect magic.
good point but magneto doesnt need to control the person 100% right off the back. all he needs is a paperclip and manipulate it into the person and from there he has control
Magneto has ben consistently portrayed at much higher levels than apocalypse throughout his entire career, with better high-end feats as well. I think Apoc fans are misled by his power-set, and by his appearances on television (as others have pointed out). Really, though, his powerset has no relation whatsoever to his feats, and the version of him in TAS was completely ill-conceived --- how does it make sense that he can vaporize the x-men with a single blast, his vulnerability rivals Juggernaut's, a charging Rogue just bounces off his chest in giant form, etc. etc. He was WAY, WAY too powerful -- it didn't even make sense. He had an awesome voice, though.
I will grant the apoc-fans this: if we believe that "non-jobbing" Apoc is the following (all of which have been attributed to him at various points in his checkered career), then he can probably beat mags:
1. Stronger than the Hulk/Unlimited Physical Strength
2. Complete Molecular Control over his own Body
3. Awesome durability and regeneration(even able to separate and rejoin parts of his body)
4. Ability to absorb powerful energy attacks
In other words, Apoc has isolated feats which, if we were unbelievably selective, might suggest that he can consistently defeat Mags in a fight. But if we are going to be that selective with Apoc, couldn't we also be selective with Magneto, and say something outrageous like "He just makes a black hole in his brain," or something? Apoc is only Mag's superior in power-description, not in fact.
Apocalypse has more powers than that. As a matter of fact, both Magneto and Apocalypse have powers that are still unknown. Apocalypse because of the Celestial Technology and Magneto's control over the EM spectrum. How long would it take Magneto to open a black hole? Where has Magneto ever opened a black hole?
Even if Magneto did open a black hole; Apocalypse is a telekinetic, meaning that he can fly and therefore can fly away from it. Or use his Celestial Technology to eliminate the black hole.
I know Apoc has more powers than that -- it's just that he's not consistently depicted as having all of these powers to a high degree; for instance, the time he detached his own head suggests that piercing damage and being ripped in half should not be viable options against him, yet this is clearly not the case. As for the wormhole, I was suggesting that Magneto make it INSIDE of Apoc. I suggested it because I thought it was a frivolous tactic to be used in a forum debate. And apart from the Celestial tech we've seen incorporated in Apoc's body, there's no reason to bring up celestial tech here. As for Nur's TK, there is absolutely no consistency here. His top feats in this area (utterly destroying Exodus w/ TK, for instance), would seem to make him more powerful than Magneto, but again this appears to be anomalous. This is what makes Apocalypse so frustrating in these fights. Unless you are putting him in a brawl, where his feats are more consistent, it is just really hard to rate the guy's power-level, which is why most of us tend to low-ball him. That and the fact that some of his fans read his feats with more than a little creativity.
Apocalypse controls his own mass but he doesn't really transmute others. Also, power is relative, the fact that he controls himsef does not make him indestructible.
Turning himself into non-magnetic materials wouldn't work and the idea of materials immune to electromagnetic manipulatin makes littles sense too. If it's made from atoms, it can be affected by electromagnetism. Doom and Stark's plot device armors that can avoid magneto's powers usually have esoteric and poorly defined 'fields' arround them to stop outside electromagnetic interference, so that it's not an instawin for magneto. Poccy could try that and it might work. But even then, I've seen some old scans of magneto getting arround all of IM's specifically designed defenses against his power.
Poccy's damage soak and energy absortion, although impressive, are not above what mags can dish out. He's been hurt and put down by a lot less actually.
Probably because Apocalypse forgets that he has all of those powers. Also, AOA is not 616; therefore, not canon. Apocalypse and Magneto already fought in 616 and Magneto needed the X-Men's help. Apocalypse should have been able to absorb Magneto's electromagnetic energy, when Magneto was trying to rip him in half. It is possible that the Celestial Technology could negate the wormhole. Apocalypse's TK is strong enough to rip someone's spine out of his body. I mean, we have seen him laughing off Stryfe's most powerful attacks, in Messiah War. Even when Apocalypse was at his weakest, Bishop and Stryfe had to give it their best to defeat him. Even then he was not killed.
To 753: Apocalypse does have transmutation powers. Also, Apocalypse's body and armor are Celestial Technology based, making them almost magical in nature. That is why Magneto overcame Iron Man's attempt to nullify Magneto's powers and Dr. Doom was successful because Dr. Doom has magical powers. I don't think that that is PIS.
Also, that is not true. Even a fully powered telekinetic blast from Phoenix only managed to rip off some of Apocalypse's armor.
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He's also been hurt by a lot less than that. I have never seen poccy really transmuting matter and whenever he alters other people it's by shoving them into the weird machines that make horsemen. I also see no reason for him to be able to absorb Magneto's energy. I'll give you the magic thing though, it certainly could neutralize him.
Poccy has also been hurt by a lot less power than that.
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