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yesssssssssssssssssssssss......................


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You and I both know that isn't true, the Flash has evacuated an entire city out of the range of a nuclear bomb after the bomb detonated, and it was a major city to boot. He also was using his speed when he was trying to find the person who was control GL before his attack hit Diana... and this was around your average human.

Weither you want to believe it or not, it's true and I've shown you example after example.

Flash can NOT reach lightspeed/supersonic speed while having to dance around objects. End.


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I'm telling ya' the Flash doesn't need to slow down to sonic speed to avoid objects, if he did he would be nothing compared to... oh lets say Zoom. That bullet thing was just some half baked reason the write thought up so the idea of the Flash getting hit at least approached making sense.

So....things that happen in Flash comics by Flash writers over and over aren't canon because you don't belive it should be?


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Well the fall was maybe 15 feet, both he and Batman took the fall together and he didn't start showing his limb until after Batman kicked him threw the large window, which was a bit after the fall. Im sure it's possible a fall of around 15 did that much damage to him... but I doubt it.


He jumped out of the 10 story or so window with batman on TOP.
That weight combined with the fall would break anyones bones, and it did his. He healed up while he was on his motorcycle.
10 minutes tops.




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Well that is certainly the case with his Batgirl fight. I don't think thats what the writer was going for at the time, he just wanted to make Cass look badass by making Slade look like a chump (I mean he was trying yo hit her... he just couldn't)

No he wasn't. He was trying to finish his job and she butted in, she proved more than he expected so he finished it by throwing a grenade and going after his mark.

She didn't hurt him or even slightly out class him, if he didn't hold back, he'd have just shot her point blank.

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but DC fixed that, and made it pretty clear DS is superior to Cass.

Again, saying the comics are wrong and you are right.
What in the hell....?
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But what about Eddie Fryers and Azrael? They held their own just fine, and even Nightwing (yes I know he gets spanked often my Stroke) as manged to overwelm DS when he has the element of surprise.

He has nearly killed all three almost every time they meet.

Anytime they do well is just a low showing, everyone has them.
No big deal, you and I both know on equal footing and all out, he'd take all three no sweat.



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You showed me the Aquaman/Hal Jordan and DS "fight"? I think I remember you posting some scans from the issue on here... but I had the issue before that.

....four times.

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For those who want to know what happened Hal was acted like a moron and DS him out and blinded Aquaman with a flash grenade then came in for the attack. He kicked Aquaman once, Aquaman (while blind) grabbed his leg and threw him threw the wall of the dilapidated building they were fighting in. DS blasted out a support beam then ran away.

Wrong.

Slade nuttchecked Hal AFTER talking down to Hal like a child, then he broke Hal's jaw.

Aquaman came in, Slade bounced around him (Remember, Slade himself said he wasn't half as strong as normal in this comic, his physical powers were all but gone. All he had then was his enhanced mind.) dodging Aquaman.
Slade notices Aquaman's keen sight so he blinds him with a flare, then he shoots out the beam and leaves.

He owned Aquaman there, and if he was full powered, he'd owned him even harder.


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See Slade holding his arm before Batman kicks him?

He fell friggin 30 feet or so with Batman on top of him!

Who looks like they were more effected by a kick here?

Slade or Batman?

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this has got to be the longest thread that i started, i am so happy


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altough its gotten off track


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what if slade had no weapons? i think wolverine would beat him if he did have any weapons


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with no weapons it wouldn't be much of a fight....it would be more of a "how long can slade avoid wolverine" argument...


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with no weapons it wouldn't be much of a fight....it would be more of a "how long can slade avoid wolverine" argument...


slade is still a great fighter w/ out his weapons

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no doubt about that...but being a great fighter isn't going to help much when somebody's got a better healing factor, higher durability, and can scewer you with one hit.


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well said


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Weither you want to believe it or not, it's true and I've shown you example after example.

Flash can NOT reach lightspeed/supersonic speed while having to dance around objects. End.


And I have given examples (plural, opposed to your one bullet example) of him doing it, now I'm sure acceleration is more difficult when you need to avoid an object... but it's not like he hasn't done it.

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So....things that happen in Flash comics by Flash writers over and over aren't canon because you don't belive it should be?


I never said it wasn't canon, it is 100% canon, in the same way that Wolverine taking a nuke is canon. It being a real a canon feat doesn't exclude it from being crap.

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He jumped out of the 10 story or so window with batman on TOP. That weight combined with the fall would break anyones bones, and it did his. He healed up while he was on his motorcycle.


They fight took place on a massive building at least 80 stories I would say but the never dropped down more then... 5 (I'd say more like 3) stories from the window DS crashed through before Batman showed up. And while the did drop down to a lower level several times they never took more then a 15 foot drop.

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No he wasn't. He was trying to finish his job and she butted in, she proved more than he expected so he finished it by throwing a grenade and going after his mark.


Wait... what? I think we misunderstood each other here. Deathstroke WAS playing with her in there first encounter but I don't think that was the impression they were trying to leave when the issue first came out. He never hit her in the fight and it wasn't for a lack of trying, and even him holding back... that is crap. The recent "fight" between the two reestablished that DS was by far Cass' superior and shows that the only way the last meeting made an once of sense was if DS was just messing around but I don't think thats how the issue was intended to be viewed when it first came around.

... Basically I'm agreeing with you

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He has nearly killed all three almost every time they meet. Anytime they do well is just a low showing, everyone has them. No big deal, you and I both know on equal footing and all out, he'd take all three no sweat


Right about that.

Thing is though, while incredible fast and agile, DS has not shown the ability to avoid with out question attacks from... lets be honest mid to low level streets. It is very likely that DS could beat NW, Eddie Fryers and Azrael at the same time but it doesn't stop them from tagging him or on the odd occasion giving him a bit of trouble.

Is Deathstroke faster then Wolverine? Certainly but the difference is so slim that it makes little difference to the out come of the fight. If Bronze Tiger and Batman are landing hits on him it seems pretty extreme to believe Wolverine can't do the same.

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Slade nuttchecked Hal AFTER talking down to Hal like a child, then he broke Hal's jaw.


He sure did! Take that Hal! It's a must see for people who think Hal makes Kyle look bad...

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Aquaman came in, Slade bounced around him (Remember, Slade himself said he wasn't half as strong as normal in this comic, his physical powers were all but gone. All he had then was his enhanced mind.) dodging Aquaman.


Slade used the flash grenade first though, before that he was sneaking around the empty building then Hal caught him. The "fight" lasted one page and consisted of DS bouncing of Aquaman, DS kicking Aquaman, Aquaman catching DS's foot (in the middle of a second attack not as a result of the first kick) and throwing him threw something... I think it was an old wall, and ended with DS should out a support beam and dropping the building on Aquaman. It wasn't much of a fight

And since we are also on this topic as well DS tripped Flash and blasted him in that issue also IIRC... and it was crap there also!


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i'm telling you..these two guys generate too much pis cis not to turn it on....do it....do it...


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maybe i should make a deathstroke vs flash thread


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They fight took place on a massive building at least 80 stories I would say but the never dropped down more then... 5 (I'd say more like 3) stories from the window DS crashed through before Batman showed up. And while the did drop down to a lower level several times they never took more then a 15 foot drop.


By your own admission, they dropped a minimum of 3 stories. Considering most stories are a minimum of 8 feet in height, that means they dropped a minimum of 24 feet, not 15. Since this is a massive office-type skyscraper, I'd say its individual stories are more than 8 feet.

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Right about that.

Thing is though, while incredible fast and agile, DS has not shown the ability to avoid with out question attacks from... lets be honest mid to low level streets. It is very likely that DS could beat NW, Eddie Fryers and Azrael at the same time but it doesn't stop them from tagging him or on the odd occasion giving him a bit of trouble.

Is Deathstroke faster then Wolverine? Certainly but the difference is so slim that it makes little difference to the out come of the fight. If Bronze Tiger and Batman are landing hits on him it seems pretty extreme to believe Wolverine can't do the same.


So Deathstroke has been hit by lower-tier characters, so that means something. Yet when this is argued about Spider-Man, it's just PIS/CIS. Not trying to be an ass to Spidey supporters in other threads, but still. Slade does have superhuman speed to go along with his superhuman strength.

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Originally posted by zachrivard
maybe i should make a deathstroke vs flash thread


trust me dude..there's seriously no point in doing that....

every flash fan knows that he can take out ds before ds should even be able to react....


but every deathstroke fan has seen him drop flash and other speedsters with relative ease....

no-one's going to be changing their minds and it will be one long and redundant circular thread....just like wolvie vs. spidey...


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"So Deathstroke has been hit by lower-tier characters, so that means something. Yet when this is argued about Spider-Man, it's just PIS/CIS."

precisely......glad you've finally come to see the light...anytime spiderman's EVER lost has been pis/cis.


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See Slade holding his arm before Batman kicks him?

He fell friggin 30 feet or so with Batman on top of him!

Who looks like they were more effected by a kick here?

Slade or Batman?


Slade is leaning on a window with on arm the other at his side, when he leaves the building the arm at his side is the one he is holding.

Slade has a hurt shoulder and Batman is out cold, its pretty clear that Bruce took more damage... then again Bruce's kick just set him through a window instead of face first into a book self

Also I just checked the issue and at the start there is a better view of the building and from the spot the fight starts to where it finishes is a good 15 stories at least. The fight scenes are misleading and I was just skipping to the meat of the battle for references, but you are right somewhere in there they take a massive fall, it just isn't rendered very well.


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i know what pis is but what is "cis"?


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i know what pis is but what is "cis"?


Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates


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precisely......glad you've finally come to see the light...anytime spiderman's EVER lost has been pis/cis.


I'm just saying that it can't go both ways. Either it's plausible for Spidey to get hit or it's bad writing that Slade got hit so easily by lower-tier characters. At least when he isn't 'letting' them.

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