that's exactly what this is about. Northstar coming out as being openly gay was a big step for comics now there are several openly gay characters it's an area comic books never explored before. Same as when spider-man came around he helped change the scope and dymanics of comics at that time. You have to look at the big picture
if wolverine was gone marvel would do just fine because his impact wasn't as important as say spider-man. Maybe he can be in a top 50 list but defiantly not top 10
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if wolverine had not been created marvel would have ahd a major hit to them...........hell you took Logan way now and marvel would hurt.'
Wolverien revolutionlized the loner, anti hero. They ahd articles about it, That Logan was really the anti-hero slash loner who made what they are now. batman became much darker for example after Logan was created.
I can't even believe your trying to tell me northstar was more improtant then wolverine............or that wolverine would only make top 50 at best..........it pathetic.
I don't even no why I would even have to argue this.............The second top selling character was not important to comics..........get real.
would you stop with your cult like obsession with wolverine for a second and listen to a word i've said. This is not about the popularity of the character. This is about the scope of impact the characters have made, and sorry wanna be bad ass loner doesn't cut it. Yes having a super hero openly come out as being gay is much more progressive and important to comics that smelling bad and having a bad attitude. Batman's credibility was well established well before marvel though of wolverine. Your simply refusing to acknowledge the angle of reasoning i'm coming from. I'm not saying he didnt give anything but in the over all scope of things he does not make the top 10. Spider-man for example was one of the first comic books to deal with issues like drugs for example and the real effects they have on people so in that regard he had a very important impact on comics. That is what i'm talking about with a top 10 as far as important not how well known they are. It's always logan this or logan that with you would you get off his junk for 5 minutes i honestly think your gonna name ur first born logan.
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sorry for the last few comments I said but you can be really obsessive with wolverine. Just try to understand the angle i'm coming from instead of trying to bit my head off for insulting ur god
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I could give reasons, but no matter what I say would not matter because lando has it in his mind that I am some crazy wolverine fan boy........
really no point in debating with some one who will simply ignore what ever you post down becuase they have some screwed up notion about you.
funnyier when they jump to insults then apologies and insult you more.........it pathetic.
northstar was straight.........he would have had the same impact which was nothing............food for thought .
ps: lando I have no respect for you what so ever and if you ever wanna take it to the battle zone be my guest. becuase im dying to put you in your place after all these little insults you been throughing at me.
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look it's been a major problem on this forum that posters here don't stop to think about where the other person is coming from with their statements. We're not all going to agree on things that's fine by me i'm not out to change the way you think. But i won't have my point of view brush off like rubbish either. You feel like wolverine gave a lot to comics with the loner attitude fine but from my standpoint i disagree. I feel like characters like spider-man storm and north star have been more progressive for comics and are more important for those reasons. If it wasn't for the changes those characters made comics would be much more static than they are now.
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batman was supose to be the oriignal bad ass anti- hero, but really he was not. He was pritty melow back in the day.
Punisher was really the first anti-hero but he was more of almost a bad guy. however his lack in popularity effected his impact.
Logan came around shortly after and his popularity allowed for the redifining of anti-heros. people like batman became much darker characters. More anti-heros poped up and so forth.
some would say namor was the first anti hero. I know developing the anti hero was important, i just don't feel it's more important then the hero's love interest being killed off, or a hero dealing with drug issues in their comics. The type of change that having a gay hero has is on a larger scope than that of the anti hero because it progressed the relate ability of comics to their readers more.
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The thing is until spider-man comics never really touched the issues of drugs and the hero's love intreset would not have been killed. Those kinds of events moved us away from the silver age of comics and set the stage for more daring things like the anti hero and so forth. Until the whole north star thing comics never really touched the issue of gays and bis in comics. Thus that change helped further comics again. Again with storm a black female hero is in contrast to the majority of characters in comics. Those are the types of changes i'm looking at. The anti hero changed the tone of comics and because of this they are much more vicious than they once were but the spectrum appeal of comics was not progress that much it was mostly a style change not a concept change
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