Well to be honest, I don't like Dark Raiden, at all (whose in Deception and Armageddon). Any part of Raiden that I liked before faded away after his suicide against Onaga. Dark Raiden just took things too far, especially in his Armageddon ending...
Good thing Taven knocked some sense into him.
Edit: Oh, yeah. Raiden's trading card.
Now this is the Raiden I came to know and love as a character.
Last edited by Ridley_Prime on Dec 23rd, 2007 at 10:39 PM
you dont know much do you? first of all shinok is nothing he only worth something with the amulet without that amulet and the way he is always he got his ass kicked by freakin johny cage in deadly alliance bio and in deception you see him ask taven to protect him he was defeated by Li Mei he was defeated and asked for help to defend him thats sad
and Lol at raiden being in the same class as onaga since raiden even with the combined power of shang tsung and quan chi (which are more powerful than raiden combined) could not do anything to even hurt onaga
taven defeated raiden in a fight
shujinku defeated raiden in a fight
raiden is not in the top class at all what did he ever do to be considered in the top class? liu kang defeated most of the fighters he deserves to be there but raiden? just because he is suppose to be a god? raidens match is shinok as we see in there fights they are both no where near the top tear
and as we know in the upcoming mortal kombat raiden got defeated by shao kahn who got owned completely by liu kang
you talk way too much out of your ass without any proof
you say that raiden owns liu kang based on what? the way i see it raiden is always hiding behind liu, liu kang defeated all the major players like shao kahn goro and shinok what did raiden ever do? as we know in the upcoming mortal kombat raiden gets destroyed by shao kahn which proves us that liu kang > shao kahn > raiden
so you tell me that raiden is > scorpion just because he is a god?
taven > liu kang just because he is a god?
please face palm yourself because theres so many bullshit in your posts
anyway the way i see it liu kang is equel to taven and they both are above raiden
and again Lol at you for thinking that shinnok should be considered with the amulet its like scorpion recieving powers from the elder gods its just a plot device shinnoks real powers are a joke
If you knew so much more about MK than me like you think you do, then you'd know that the Li Mei, Sheeva, Kintaro, etc. that Taven fought in the Netherrealm were just illusions created by Shinnok, as a means of testing the half-god's strength.
The fact that he's immortal, has helped protect Earthrealm himself on plenty occasion (or was one of the major factors in its protection), was the one who recruited Liu and the rest of the forces of light in the first place, protected their souls from Shao Kahn prior to MK3, etc. He was even the one who reanimated Liu's corpse after he was killed in Deadly Alliance, and if it wasn't for him sending a message to himself in the past, reality itself would be screwed. He's the reason the past even has a chance to change itself.
Because the forces of darkness apparently won Armageddon, it's rather clear that Kahn was much stronger when he crushed Raiden there than he was at the time he lost to Liu, so your point is moot.
As you yourself bluntly put it, Scorpion almost always gets his ass kicked, so why wouldn't Raiden be > him?
It's more based on the fact Taven was shown capable of beating everyone Liu has, and more.
And you accuse me of talking out of my ass? Zombie or not, Liu's got nothing on Taven. Not because he's god of half-god, but because he has strength and abilities Liu can't even fathom, like being able to freeze time for one. Shujinko is also above Liu, as he was trained by Liu himself, and many other warriors.
it still doesnt change the fact shinnok got his ass handed to him by johny cage and ran away from him back in that island thats sad, shinnok never did anything to show some kind of power got owned by liu kang got owned by johny cage he is nothing special at all the only time he was portrayed as mighty being is with the amulet and the amulet is a plot device its not his own powers so once again you fail
how the hell the fact he combined them and has a thunder god title and bla bla bla makes him good fighter? protecting there souls shows you he control mgic hell ermac could do the same probably or shang tsung who got his ass kicked by liu kang.. look at shao kahn he got all those powers all those titles he is the ruler of the darkness and yet he was defeated by liu kang so all those titles worth nothing and are invalid to the point he suck at fighting compared to liu kang taven and the heavy guns
Lol what? again you are making things out of nothing, prove that when the light wins raiden becomes stronger and when the dark wins shao kahn becomes stronger, those are things you are just making out of your own mind you are a lier because it never worked that way , shao kahn and raiden had a final face off and shao kahn won you are making things out of nothing claiming he is now stronger you cant prove that its only your fanboy claims which have no weight at all again you fail
just because scorpion gets his ass kicked doesnt mean he cant kick the ass of another person who gets his ass kicked AKA raiden
so just because taven beat everybody who liu kang beat and beat some people that never fought liu kang means he is better? thats a big fail , if taven would defeat someone who defeated liu kang then you would have some point but saying he beat the people liu kang beat makes him better? again its a big fail which based on nothing like your entire so called argument
as i stated again liu kang defeated before people with a lot of fancy powers shang tsung shao kahn shinnok they all control many things magic and whats not and look how well it did for them again liu kang... as i said liu kang and taven in my book are equel saying i am wrong because taven is half god is just a joke since raiden is all god and getting kicked around gods in mortal kombat dont weight much
Had to go somewhere for awhile, but I'm back now, so don't think I forgot about these other threads. Now, onto business.
I take it you didn't know that Shinnok in Armageddon had a clone? The clone was the one that was shown fighting in the Armageddon intro, while the real Shinnok remained in the Netherrealm. The Shinnok that Cage chased off could have very well been the said clone as well.
Even without the amulet, the real Shinnok can still hold his own rather well, as demonstrated by the fact he defeated Lucifer and became ruler of Netherrealm/hell, and can transform into an immense demon with incredible strength. All the amulet does for him is enhance his already formidable powers of mimicry, makes him fully immortal, and allows him to travel to other realms/dimensions as well. He's still a beast without it. If Johnny Cage actually gave him a run for his money, then well, that just goes to show that he can be skilled like Liu when given the opportunity.
How am I making things out of nothing? If Raiden sent a message to himself in the past upon being defeated in an attempt to change the future, then it's obvious that the forces of darkness won Armageddon and became stronger through the defeat of Blaze.
Considering Taven has basically more, better feats than Liu under his belt, yeah. It does pretty much make him better all around. He also has better powers, with his ability of influence over time and space. Liu may have fought sorcerers, a powerful emperor/conquerer, and a weakened Elder God, but he hasn't faced someone who can do things like freeze time, like Taven, one of the most powerful characters to appear in the franchise.
Twisting my words around to suit you... Where have I seen this before? At any rate, I didn't say it was because of Taven's title/status that made him better than Liu, but his feats and abilities.
You're right though in saying that being a god in MK doesn't weigh much, aside from being eternal or having some form of immortality. It's also inconsistent rather, because Taven, whose only half god, exceeds the power of Earthrealm's gods, who are full gods.
a clown is a replicate of the real thing which means if he defeated a clone of shinnok he could defeat the real shinnok it doesnt matter as you see in the intro fight the clone when fighting raiden had all the powers shinnok has so even if it was a clone its still valid that johny cage defeated the real guy
defeating lucifer is not a feat since in the MK universe lucifer is nothing it was stated that lucifer was scared of the power scorpion had in the netherealm and we all saw how great scorpion is when he got beat up by 2 nobodies that later got destroyed by cyrex so it proves nothing
as i said there is no avidance to prove shinnok worth something for all that we know he got tooled by johnu cage and liu kang , how is johny cage beating up shinnok proves he can be as skilled as liu kang? face palm yourself for that one i got tired of face palming your ignorance
again you speculate things all it proves is that raiden got defeated by shao kahn and he sent himself a message ion the part to worn himself that he lost other than than everything you said is baseless speculations
again taven didnt prove hje can beat liu kang simply because we never saw what are liu kangs limits, liu kang is undefeated and so was taven speculationg things like taven wins because of couple powers wont change anything since liu kang fought people with many powers before and defeated them
yep i agree mortal kombat gods suck they lose to ordenery mortals whats the point i dont get it