No one still will discuss the North American Union. I did not know the Attorney General had resigned for a while because the media kept talking about O.J. The race relations are just a distraction so the government may continue signing crap that gives them more jurisdiction to "watch over" domestic terrorists.
It's all bananas right now.
__________________ "Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise." - Thomas Gray
I talked to my old political science teacher, and he says that out of the 18 total nominees, he hasn't found one that even he'd vote for, and that this might be the first presidential election where he won't vote. Crazywazy.
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In my opinion and experience most political parties represent a very broad view. Certainly there isn't going to be The specific party for you. But that won't ever be unless you start your own (and even then...). However people who complain about the system and don't try and change it (either by voting or changing it from the inside, start or join a political party) imo give up a large part of their 'right' to complain.
It's my opinion you don't have to agree with it ofcourse.
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well, maybe you guys live in magic fantasy land, where the political system isn't inherrently a tool of major political parties to keep power, or where minority viewpoints are given a real chance at political power, but in my world, having a say in a system that is designed to reduce what it is you can have a say on isn't really having a say at all, more of a self congradulatory practice of brand loyalty.
Yes I will vote but on a national level it's pretty much pointless. The only way I see positive changes is if major issues such as immigration reform, trade agreements, healthcare reform, etc etc, are put to a popular vote as is becoming the case on a State level. Under the current system moneyed interests will always call the shots.
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I don't think there is any real quick fix answer. Its like what Churchill said, "Democracy is terrible, but its the best we have".
Don't get me wrong, were I an American I would have voted against (even though I hate the philosophical idea) Bush. If there were any change I supported (or really at all) being promoted by the parties in power here I would gladly participate.
We just had a provincial election and referendum, so I've been thinking about this a bit. We need a system that can both account for and correct human inadequacies in problem solving and cognitive abilities, be efficent and have a built in conflict resolution mechanism, while maintaining accountability to the general public, who are by and large uneducated and uninterested in the minuta of the political world.
I don't know, a benevolent and accountable fascist state run by a libertarian technocratic ideology Thats what we need
I think democracy is the worst system for this. Greek philosophers discussed what you be best for government but democracy was often left out because it is so easy to manipulate the masses.
There is no good way to account for human greed and the such but oh well
__________________ "Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise." - Thomas Gray
I can attest that this is not the case. In Memphis, TN, mayor Herenton was just voted in again and has been in office for maybe 20 years. There have been multiple scandals with MLGW (Memphis Light Gas and Water) in which everyone knows he is getting kickbacks.
Wanna know how he gets out? He just claims racism.
It is the same at all levels.
__________________ "Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise." - Thomas Gray
Thats total bull. People are not educated enough to be handed the reigns of power so directly. There are real answers to real life political problems that are held up by the voting public's lack of awareness of real and workable solutions.
The way people are convinced that A is true and B is not bares no resemblance to the actual validity of A or B. More power by people in voting will increase the "bumper sticker" politics of CNN and Fox News, and not the competency of effectiveness of national or state policy.
What a very linear and arrogant way of thinking. This is what the elite want people to think and it seems you buy right into it. People are smarter than you give them credit for. The only real danger to participatory democracy is apathy but that's pretty much what we have now.
But maybe you're onto something. It seems that trusting our politicians has been good for us. That's why we now have a quagmire in Iraq. A national debt that is only beginning to catch up to us. A healthcare debacle, an immigration nightmare, massive outsourcing of the better paying jobs, etc, etc. Yep, politicians do seem to know what's best for us.
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Oct 11th, 2007 04:37 PM
Thats what we need 
