This is getting ridiculous. Tenchi would just make Goku vanished out of existence with his will only. Goku may be very strong but he would never beat an omnipotent. Not now, not ever.
Legitimately, I actually have more stamina than that fat dwarf.
Guldo comes across to me as possessing some hax abilities, at the expense of being a weak pile of shit.
No, he was certainly faster than Jeice and definitely Recoome, although I would think Ginyu himself is definitely faster.
The difference in PLs is actually not really that high.
Burta: 62,000
Jeice: 64,000
Recoome: 65,000
But yes, Recoome has the highest PL, while being slower than the others. USSJ Trunks proves that you can have more power than someone, without actually being faster, USSJ has more power than SSJ but is slower, sacrificing speed for physical strength.
Also, something interesting to note is that Jeice and Burta combining their powers adds up to 95,000, which IIRC is when they were doing that one combination attack. In other words, less than the sum of its parts.
Ok... my bad for taking so long but didn't Akira state that he made the Ginyu force different than any villian the Z fighters fought? They were basically the exception... they all had unique abilities that was inherited from their alien race (kind of like Saiyans does). PL means a lot, yes, I agree but abilities also means another.
Akira stated that Recoome hide was basically completely invulnerable due to his alien race.
Captain Ginyu had the ability to swap bodies.
Burta was a speedster and body was basically built to fly through the air at tremendous speeds.
Jeice had the ability to affect people emotions.
Guildo, stops time.
Saiyans, get stronger from every fight they have.
Piccolo, stretch his limbs and healing factor.
Frieza... transform along with gaining an increase in power.
Every being "outside" of beings that were artificially made (androids) had a unique ability that had nothing to do with their power level.
This was put into place to make the story interest... to make differences in fights instead of blasting and fighting at super speed all of the time.
Everyone had a unique ability and throwing this as something to discredit power level vs increase in stats doesn't help your case since again, this has been proven too many times for it to be questionable.
You then bring up Trunks Hulking out... being unable to control all of that mass which took a drop on his speed. It was explained why Trunks wasn't as fast as Cell but the thing that aids my argument is, Trunks really believed that since he had a higher PL, he was suppose to be winning the fight, faster... he was SHOCKED at the idea that with that increase in power, he wasn't able to touch Cell and he was questioning this. Trunks was thinking the truth and exactly what I have been telling you all... Trunks was thinking... an increase in PL means an increase in stats.
Hell, even Piccolo and Tien that were feeling the fight from the watch tower was thinking the same exact thing. The only reason this didn't happen this time was due to the fact that Trunks mass increased exponentially which took a dive on his super Saiyan speed.
It generally is, but keep in mind Trunks is also canonically less experienced than almost all the other fighters, something he himself realises after Cell told him the drawback of USSJ.
Also, it was not just his mass that decreased his speed, since frankly if that mass can slow him down DBZ characters are weaker than they should be. He basically overloaded himself with power, weighing himself down.
That said, what do you mean the Ginyu Force is the exception? Have never heard that before.
Also, you forgot another unique trait of Freeza's biology, he can survive any wound regardless of severity. Is why having half his head blown off did not kill him. Is also the reason why Cell could revive from a single Cell, combining Freeza's inability to die from any injury with Piccolo's regeneration. Just a fun fact.
people you must stop using only manga as source to give proffs the anime is as real as the manga and its not fanmade dbgt can be used for giving proffs
It was Trunks Hulking form that slowed him down... that's why Vegeta didn't do it and that is why when Cell did it against Gohun, he was moving in slow motion as well. Kind of like when Vegeta went ape of Piccolo grew a 100 ft tall... they were basically doing better "speed wise" when they were at their normal height.
I just don't get why you all like using the Trunks showing when all in all, everything was explained and it had nothing to do about the topic that's in discussion.
As for the Ginyu force... I worded that wrong... didn't mean exception... they just had abilities that were different than a lot of people due to them being aliens, kind of like all DBZ characters having different type of abilities. Like I said before, that doesn't rule out "the more power you have the faster, more durable (and stronger) you are".
Frieza was a durale character but it was pretty much shown that Goku durability against blunt force trama>Friezas. Frieza powers were depleting against Goku while Goku took just as much of a beating and was still at 90 to 100%.
So an extra 200 or so pounds of weight is enough of a burden on their bodies to slow them down? O: Damn, they sure are weak. Oh, and Vegeta was explicitly noted to be very fast even in Great Ape form. The difference being that Ape Vegeta and Giant Piccolo have to perform much larger movements to throw punches and stuff, which gives off the perception of slowness.
It was explained that his increase in power did not come with an increase in speed, in fact it decreased. Why can the same not be true for others?
But can you prove that? Ginyu's body switch and Guldo's shit I can buy, but the rest of it?
Uh, that was not what I was saying. If Goku has his head blown in half, destroying part of his brain, he will die. Freeza would not. That is explicitly a unique function of Freeza's biology.
Who said it was only 200 lbs? I agree with you about the power thingy but his mass had a lot to do with it... his muscles grew out of proportion with power. Again, its not good to use as evidence since it was pretty much stated that it was a plot which involved power not equaling speed. Like I said before, everyone believed that Trunks had the tools to take Cell out and Trunks again questioned why he was unable to tag Cell with this increase in power. It was a plot which was explained.
All of the Ginyu peeps has a special ability and Burta was clearly built in the fashion to accustom for his speed.
Goku has had holes blown in straight through his chest and still fought on multiple of occassions.
Going by your own premise Kara, that would not make him omnipotent. It would make him stronger and give him the abilities of the dragons. Hell, Shenron is not omnipotent, he is unable to **** with anyone stronger than he is. Dark Schneider is one such individual.
1. It could be 2,000 pounds of muscle and my point would still stand. The muscles are not weighed down by normal mass, it is their POWAH. USSJ, and even ASSJ, are both noted to bring increases in power, but are highly inefficient, both draining you of Ki rapidly, and in USSJ's case slowing you down. You are right, it was explained, and I WOULD agree that in most cases an increase in overall Ki brings an increase in all attributes, including speed. But there are exceptions, Recoome being one of them.
2. Uh, is that so? Cause I cannot remember Jeice having some emotion reading power, to be honest. You are right that each Ginyu was different from one another, Recoome was physically strongest (Sides Ginyu himself), and Burta was fastest (Ditto). But what makes you think that is due to his unique biology?
3. It is possible to survive a wound to the chest. To the head? No.
I am just pointing out a unique quality of Freeza's biology. Chill.
Well the dragonballs may be able to grant wishes but dragon Shenron got killed by old Picollo, and as we saw Omega was also defeated so that shows that the dragon balls give you nothing near omnipotence.
shenron cant affect being higher than him thats true and this may be happen to goku also but goku is stronger than everyone so he can affect them. what omega did wasnt true absorption he just ate the dragonabll became stronger and got the abilities of the other 6 shadow dragons.but shenron put the dragonballs in gokus body thats different
There really isn't much of a difference between absorbing and eating. The same effect of gaining power and abilities by having something enter your body was shared by both Cell and Buu when they absorbed something.
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Chill.
