Like I said when does it say they super charge their hits with their ki every single hit? And Kid Buu has ki yes. But so does Videl and she doesn't super charge her hits with ki.
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No of course not, because it's not on your side right, troll?
How do we compare them if we're not allowed to establish a basis? Just accept the word of someone who doesn't know what he's talking about?
You don't read the comics so your knowledge is limited. Notice how the people who've read both the manga AND Superman comics say that Superman will win, but the people who don't read superman comics say that Goku will win?
You don't think that's a little odd? The people with the knowledge of both say Superman. The people without knowledge say that Goku could win.
That doesn't make energy a physical type attack. Ki is energy. Nothing you say will make it matter.
unless that matter is either protected by energy or naturally resistant to it.
Are you saying that the ki ALWAYS destroys matter? Then why are their hands not destroyed forom firing this ki? Why have they been able to slap ki away?
Superman's taken the power of millions of stars exploding on him back in '91. He's also taken eneough energy to destroy a galaxy.
Now you're saying that Goku will be able to put out more energy than that? Prove it... and none of he extrapolation BS... no "Well he was this powerful then, so he should be stronger." Stuff. Give concrete evidence that he's able to.
Neither does yours prove the level he's at now. Extrapolation is not admissible as evidence.
You have no proof that Goku is faster so how can you claim he is?
And if you knew anything about doomsday you'd know he can't be killed the same way twice. He's already been destroyed by energy, which means that he will not be able to be destroyed by the same type of energy
Yeah, I'm not allowed to establish a basis of comparison cause such comparisons always make goku look bad.
Yeah, because we can't make a standard basis for comparison.. cause if we do it always shows that goku's blasts will be insufficient. And we can't be objective, we have to have Goku win. Despite all the evidence being against him.
That's because one side never reads superman comics, ignores evidence, logic and reasoning.
Go ahead try and defend yourself against my claims that you ignore logic, I'll throw right back in your face you talking about how we can't use science.
No you didn't... If I show a weaker character taking a hit from someone on his level, does that show that they can take a punch from goku?
You are right of course, unbacked claims hold no weight unless stated by a trustworthy source. Someone who claimed to be unbeatable and that he would destroy the other person, and then is destroyed himself have no credibility.
i've also read both the db manga and the superman comics, and its incredibly obvious to me that superman would destroy goku. goku isn't even in his league. i don't know why the dbz fans have to believe that goku is the most powerful thing ever, hell, he isn't even the most powerful in dbz. gohan, gotenks, and all forms of buu save fat buu are more powerful than goku, and yes, superman would easily destroy all of them too.
Goku wins, Dooms day messed Superman up so what the hells he gonna do to Goku or SS Goku. Batman beat Supermans ass, Mumm-ra from the Thundercats whipped Superman's ass, Goku takes this by extreme pwnage 9/10 of the time.. All you need is Kryptonite or magic to beat Supermans ass that's it.
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That's called suspension of disbelief. We know for a fact Superman can move faster than light (he has demonstrated it). Cell simply made a statement and was later proven wrong. Parsimony dictates that Cell was simply bluffing.
That beam never went into space. Cell fired his beam at Gohan, Gohan fired his own beam, they collided, Gohan eventually won, and all that was left was that small crater.
Completely wrong. First law of thermodynamics, matter and energy can neither be created or destroyed. Energy can transform matter into more energy, but it can't destroy it.
Mumm-ra is magic and has only fought Superman in non canon cross over. Batman has no canon wins over Superman even when a number of the times he's had powerups.
You act if Goku is undefeated and thus anyone who has ever lost a fight can't beat him. Goku has a terrible combat record in Z. The only people he fought and won against without needing a but load of help was Nappa, the Ginyu force and Yakkon. All of whom he out powered by a large margin.
Which Goku doesn't have besides that Superman has beaten countless enemies who possess both of those in abundance.
The real question is how will Goku win without being able to use friends and relatives as canon fodder?
I might be wrong about this, but when superman and doomsday killed each other all I remember seeing was a small crater from the force of the punches each one threw. Like I said, I'm not to sure about it and could be completely wrong..
What's the big deal if it isn't canon, he had the same powers did he not? And got beat
Why would it be very hard for Goku to get kryptonite? As far as I know King Kai knows about every major entity in the universe. It sounds silly but if he knew Supermans weakness and told Goku Superman might be in some trouble..
Doomsday was from Krypton, thus he bypassed Superman's bio - electric aura. Not to mention Superman has gotten much much stronger since then. All of this is a red herring anyway since no one ever claimed Doomsday's punches could destroy a solar system.
If it's not canon, that means it doesn't count.
How would he know about a substance that is only present in the DC universe?
Besides, this is a no - prep fight. If the combatants are allowed to go and ask for help, then Superman calls the Spectre. Game over.
Creating a crater from punching each other and creating a crater from blasting are very different things. Gokou couldn't create a crater just from the aftershock of punching somebody while he could easily destroy Earth by the EoZ as easily as Kid Buu did. So it doesn't really matter what Superman has done with his fist compared to what Gohan or somebody has done with blasts. It's pointless to compare.
And how will King Kai know what a Kryptonian is when they don't exist in the Z Universe. Kaioshin could conceivably make kryptonite but Superman could always just wear a lead suit if Gokou gets the gods to help him have kryptonite.
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I believe superman would win but I don't believe so in the land-slide everyone keeps saying
one thing ki isn't a normal energy force, it is an extremely focused attack with no energy radiating off it - I'm prety sure this can be see nwhen z fighters have beams skim them and aren't dealt much if any damage at all - so when the energy touches down on the earth that is all the energy radiating, a ki attack is ki energy, it doesn't seem to radiate heat or any other type of energy other than light. so the reason the crator didn't seem that big was because it was being focused at one person, plus gohan firing a blast equal to that had much of the energy canceling out
No, I am pretty sure there was no aura, and the aura around them does not mean they are stronger. Also, yes, if some random dude ran up to Goku swinging a sword, yes, he would be uninjured, but Trunks was a superhumanly strong half saiyan, there is a difference.
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