Let me put it simple terms first you. Surfer DID drain Hulk if his gamma energy in combat. Triumph DID successfully drain Superman using electromagnetic means. Surfer DOES have control over the electromagnetic spectrum. Superman IS a solar energy battery. Why the hell would Surfer at some point not look to drain Superman at some point during the battle? I lied about nothing, by the way.
Also Polaris brought Supes to his knee's by merely bending the sunlight away from him.
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Because Surfer has fought in thousands of battles and you named one time where he thought about draining (by actually grabbing Hulk). So his chances of thinking of draining is what again? Yet Superman has went intangible, used hv to counter attacks, used speed to avoid blasts, blitzed, etc. far more times than Surfer has thought about draining. Yet you are not allowing Superman to do those maneuvers. You defeated yourself with the Hulk scenario. In no way, is Surfer grabbing Superman's hands and draining him. Superman is too fast and will basically punch Surfer lights out if he tried to do that.
I have no problem with Surfer employing the drain tactic. But it wouldn't be easy as Superman wouldn't be sitting there allowing it to happen. Hv is just one way to stop an attempt.
Forgot about that! I couldn't remember which character did that. Surfer could do that in his sleep.
Also, we can end this debate now. I have it on high authority that Surfer is the best of the best:
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High balled, but you have to admit that his feats can back him too, no?_
Yeah, totally. Surfer is the highest of high heralds out there for a reason BUT he has his limits, vulnerabilities and low showings like everyone else. To presume that only the high feats matter here is just foolish.
In case you still have doubts Here is his dc entry in whihc states that resurrection is one of his powers
"Resurrection: Ted Grant possesses the ability to return from the dead, a total of nine times. These "nine lives" are characteristic of the mythical properties of average house cats.[1] Ted apparently acquired this power when the magician Zatara altered a curse placed on him by the villain King Inferno. He at one point believed he had used up all nine lives, but the sorcerer Mordru (while disguised as Doctor Fate) later informed him that he always has nine lives unless he is killed nine times in a single 'cycle'."
A few points here of which We all should be aware off
The powers were granted trhough 5d magic, it will be hard to think that someone who the wizard shazam granted powers will not have that magical nature of powers. IMO
Superman states at the beginning of the arc that 5D magic can manipulate time and space and impose new laws of physics, he also states that there is no defence for it.
No he does not, however he showed powerd he never had before and at some point after the merging of the two Djinns he was asking why the magic words were not working.
Triumph never showed telekinesis to control humans and that power disapeared almost as soon as the Djinns merged. Also IIRC he never displayed that 360 degree hyper senses prior to The 5D power grant. So there is that.
Also for those claiming that Mr Myx restored the universe and therefore is a magical universe it seems they forget a few things
Mr Myx restored the universe but he even stated that EVERYTHING IS BACK TO NORMAL.
Usually in a 5d event when the imp leaves the 3d most thigs go back to normal with out too much trouble
In some cases people are affected by those events
In the case of Mr Myx restoring the universe it took him 5 hours to do it and the supervision of the Spectre to do it, so everything was BACK TO NORMAL
So at the best the Triumph example is a dubious feat that cannot be tagged to SS because of the magic involved and the display of powers he never had before.
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Can't say I interpreted Triumph as having extra power. I just thought it was poor writing and one of those erratic plot devices that Superman suffers from due to his high number of appearances.
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He did at least displayed one extra power which is the telekenisis for sure, also as far as I am aware he never displayes the 360 hyper view not even on his own comics. Also worth to mention but not a deal breaker his power display trough most of his history on other comics was diplayed as a yellow energy never as blue sparks. but like I said is not a deal breaker
Yeah, but that could just be the artists interpretation. As for extra powers, it's Morrison for goodness sake, who knows what was going on in his head. I'm not saying you're wrong, it's just not how I saw it at the time. I haven't read that story in probably 15 years or more so, who knows.
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I think I've spent enough time arguing about the Triumph thing, so I'll just quote my final conclusion below as to why I don't think Triumph's powers are magic based.
If you found a statement or narration saying Triumph's powers were magic based I will immediately reverse my position. Promise.
Also Triumph displaying powers he hasn't had before is common for versatile characters. For example, Surfer only recently demonstrated he could attack in astral form, and also turn his body into elements like the snow and air. He's never done this before.
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Archives are a *****. Apparently Abby's marriage to Superman doesn't exactly span decades.
