To Clickclick: go to the link above. Look up Thor's abilities and powers. He is as fast as a Marvel superhero can be. If the two are on a level playing field (Marvel's best stat = DC's best stat), Thor is just as fast as Superman. Being that the lightning would come from a Magic Hammer, is magically induced, and is not natural, it would be referred to as "magic."
To Snoopdogg: You may very well be right about Dr. Strange, and Thor's speed rating. However, his powers list says that he has godlike strength and speed. Godlike means superhuman (far faster than "better than human," clickclick.) As I said, If the two are on a level playing field (Marvel's Best stats = DC's best stats), Thor is just as fast as Superman.
As the son of Odin, Thor's strength, endurance and resistance to injury are greater than the vast majority of his superhuman race. (That means he's faster than most god's clickclick, not humans.)
- Godlike strength, speed, endurance and resistance to injury
- Mastery over the elements of storm
- The enchanted Uru hammer Mjolnir -- which can project mystical energy and open interdimensional gateways, and affords Thor the power of flight
Surfer displayed his warp speed (on his board) against Mephisto. Surfer would not be able to cross entire galaxies in minutes as the Herald of Galactus without greater than light speed. Superman, I understand, does not exceed (or approach) the speed of light.
It actually does not take Surfer long at all to absorb energy. Look what he did to Hulk in seconds, and Gamma rays are of much higher energy than the sun's rays.
I know all of Superman's abilities and attributes. None of them beat Silver Surfer. Surfer is smarter than Superman, He was taught by Galactus who is older than the universe. Surfer has more fighting experience; Superman is only a couple of decades old, Surfer is centuries old and has much more fighting experience.
Surfer could absorb Superman's heat vision; He is shown to be faster than Superman; Surfer can fly as well, and faster than Superman can; Superman's strength is not a factor, as he would not be able to attack Surfer without losing his solar energy; Super breath is of no use. Can you name any more abilities?
Surfer doesn't need to eat, drink, or breathe. Superman does. Surfer has superhuman strength, superman's is greater. Surfer can absorb energy any form of energy, all of superman's powers require solar energy. Surfer could use his energy detection to find that Superman stores solar energy. Invulnerability would protect Surfer from Superman's attacks. Plasma blasting is Surfer's primary means of attack. The rest of his powers, telepathy, regeneration, healing, ect. are all unnecessary to the fight.
The power cosmic alone is enough to defeat Superman. There is no way Superman could beat Surfer.
As for Thor:
Superman has absolutely no resistance to magic; A magic attack would hurt him like he was a normal human. Thor also has superhuman speed, and can instantaneously teleport. One magic attack from Thor would defeat Superman. Thor is the god of thunder, his lightning would be much more potent than shazam's.
He is shown to be much faster than Iron man. Thor possesses godspeed. Iron man's technology could only go but so far. Thor is as fast as superman, read my posts. Besides, Thor can teleport, he wouldn't have to be faster.
I know Thor's abilities, I dont need a link because ive seen what he can do. He is not as fast as Superman. Hes not as strong as superman either. His lightning is just lightning, his hammer simply allows him to control that.
As to thor teleporting, teleporting wont win him a fight against superman.
I dont question wether or not Sufer can travel quickly in space, on earth however I dont recall him going anywhere near that kind of speed. Plus hes also gotta be on his board to do that.
Surfer is smarter than supes based on what IYO? As to asboring Supes energy, I dont think you could really tell me how long it would take. Either way though, its not like supes would just be standing around waiting for Surfer to do it. Hed be fighting him and surfer would be busy fighting back.
Why would Sufer absorb supes heat vision if hes been shot with it? Surfer isnt invunerable to Superman's attacks, I dont know why you believe that. Also if Supes makes Surfer exert himself (he does tire out), Surfer would be in big trouble.
Surfer basically needs to stay on his board and even then ive never seen him travel any where near the speeds he has in space on earth. Perhaps though you can point one of those instances out for me..
surfer is wht you call a funny character.one min he can surf into a sun without any problems the next min he almost dies from falling of his surf bord.surfer has an 80% chance at defeat superman imo but if superman can get close and hit surfer. ss goes down
Surfer cannot die from falling off he surfboard; I don't know where you heard this. If you have a Silver Surfer comic that says so, give me the issue #. Silver Surfer could definately take more than one punch from Superman, Superman isn't that strong.
Supessucks? What the hell are you talking about? I've never heard of him. j/k I'll admit the fact that I hate DC, I've decided not to take this forum thing so seriously.
Surfer is hundreds of years old from a highly advanced race located on the other side of the galaxy!
Superman is a f*cking cornfed Kansas farmboy!
Surfer can absorb any wavelength of energy. Supe's heat vision is just ultra-concentrated sunlight
Exert himself? wtf are you talking about? Surfer doesn't tire any faster than superman.
Surfer can travel at warpspeed in space. this wouldn't change to drastically in an atmosphere.
Surfer doesn't even need to be faster. He could blast Superman into the f*cking ground with the power cosmic. Then he would be the crater formerly known as Superman.
It depends what surfer is doing, if he exerts himself trying to be all powerful he will become weakened.
You suggest it wouldnt change in the earth's atmosphere to a large extent but why is it that we have never seen that it doesnt?
If I saw Surfer moving at supes level speeds on earth, then I wouldnt be saying this.
Im not sure exactly what the power cosmic would do to superman either, I believe that leaves for a lot of speculation.
As to absorbing his heat vision, im not sure on that one though you may be right.
If surfer is near supes speed in the earth's atmosphere and can absorb his solar energy quickly, then yes he wins. If the power cosmic has drastic effects on superman, then thats just another thing in surfers favor.
I still dont have a definitive answer on those things but if surfer is near supes speed, he should win.
Which in fact has been my biggest objection this whole time. Speed is very important.
Now I'd be the first to agree that Superman is damn near unbeatable by any Marvel/DC "hero" and it'd be a rarity to see me reason somebody actually toppling the caped goody goody in underpants.But Silver Surfer is indeed one of the "rare" heroes I can actually see beating the man-O-steel. Now I know this would "never" happen due to comic politics(being DC's wouldn't let their flagship character lose to a 2nd/3rd string hero whom half of the DC world even knows.
Surfer just simply has Superman's number, the "all-powerful cosmic kamehameha like attacks that could levels cities, the ability to drain Superman's solar energy upon first contact(once that beam touches Kal-El's body its ova).While Superman would most likely land some punches here and there it would probably end with the solar energy drain(Silvers arguably only chance).
But I disagree with the Doomsday>superman assumption..
At least make them a draw(Superman=Dooms), the first battle was a draw, alot of people fail to realize that Superman took Doomsday down with him, both died with the two fatal blows.Dooms was later revived by Lex Luthor and/or Superman I forget..But that's enough to know that Dooms wasn't stronger than Superman or he wouldn't have hit the ground with Supes..if anything their about equal, but remember Superman came back and whooped Dooms easily in round two...
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You're so right OJ. People always forget Superman also handed Doomsday his arse. I think the problem is the fact that no-one had ever seen Superman beaten that badly or unsure of the battles outcome before. He is an icon who in the eyes of little kids at the time and generations before, could never die and today. And despite what anybody says, you can call him boring, a pansy, a tight wearing b**ch but at one time or another, we all wished we had at least one of his powers.
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