You know that I love Supes - he's my fave character.
But Surfer is a Cosmic level being.
What people need to understand is how Supes' powers work. He absorbs sunlight, which is then transformed into a chemical called Meta-ATP. ATP is what we humans store food energy as. Meta-ATP is sunlight energy stored as a chemical.
Now Surfer shouldn't be able to do anything to the chemical energy Supes already has in his body.
But with his control of radiation - IF he found out the source of Supes' power (i.e. that he's not a mutant but he absorbs sunlight) - then he'd be able to stop Superman from absorbing anymore energy.
All Surfer has to do now is avoid Supes' attacks for a while (minutes, hours... I don't honestly know), which I belive he is easily fast enough to do and after time Supes' stores of MATP run down.
As would Supes' invulnerability (which if you remember is a bio-field fuelled by his MATP - a chemical process).
After Supes becomes weakened - Surfer can either smack his head off with a superfast punch. Or simply vapourise him with the Power Cosmic.
Remember - I'm a Supes fan, but I think Surfer has a very good chance of pulling this off.
Cube-dude - you agree with me?
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He USED to be able to top light speed, regularly. He'd fly between star systems on interplanetary missions and it'd take him hours or even minutes.
He once overtook a beam of light that had left the Earth a thousand years beforehand. And to do that in one day would mean he'd have to travel at.... *sums* 365000 times the speed of light....
Nowadays, I dunno.
I know for instance that when he was racing the Flash, he was running at two thousand miles per SECOND. That's what Flash said anyway.
I doubt that Supes could accelerate to light speed quickly in a battle situation anyway. But I might be wrong. Evene though he's de-powered nowadays, he's still got some tricks up his sleeve.
I just don't think he has enough these days to take down Surfer...
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I recall an instance (though I no longer have the issue) where Surfer searched the entire Earth (And I mean the ENTIRE Earth) in about...2, maybe 3 seconds. He was with Dr. Strange and Hulk at the time. Sorry I can't give the issue number.
Supes now has Torquasm-Vo, which would make this fight even more interesting (with a good writer of course)
"Torquasm-Vo: This is the Kryptonian psionic martial art. Through concentration, Kal-El and all Kryptonians have the mental capability of transporting himself and his opponent into a psychic battlefield. In this battlefield, the person generating the psychic images has the capacity to will whatever the weapons and environment be like. Superman, though untrained, has been stated to be a naturally gifted Psychic combatant.
This also implies that Superman has some degree of telepathy that's independent of his Earth environment super-powers. "
As for matter manipulation...others have tried it before and it's failed...
Who knows how Superman does it? He just does. Soddom and Gammorah were turning people to friggin' salt left and right ... but couldn't do jack to Superman. Even when Superman was poisoned with Kryptonite. Disciple, in JLA: Primeval, pumped up with the magic of the Edler Gods and devolved the entire LEAGUE (transmuted all of 'em), but couldn't do jack to Superman in their final battle either. Same with Skyhook -- he tried to transform Superman into a demon, and Superman simply shrugged it off. Virroxx' soldiers broke down people to base elements and converted them to energy -- but they couldn't do that to Superman. Heck, Superman even made contact WITH Virroxx, who transmutates whole worlds into energy ... and suffered no harm from it.
Those are just a handful of samples. Can Superman be transmutated in theory? Sure, anyone can. But it's not a done deal, and he's showed tremendous resistance to it. Chalk it up to him super-strong molecular structure and/or his aura and/or his willpower ... whatever. He's tough, so, I say, Surfer, or anyone, is gonna have their work cut out for him. And I'd say he'd fail. Surfer's never transmutated anyone like Superman before. And Superman's been through worse, imo.
Supes has been powered up substancially since that list was made.
And he does have mega-resistance to things like transmutation - obviously, either his atoms have super-bonds holding them together, or his invulnerablity field cancels it. But when he's poisoned by K-Nite his shield is down... so it must be the former.
But at the end of the day, if matter manip doesn't work - I'd say Surfer could still just wear him down and blast him with Cosmic energy.
But to see Supes use that psionic-battlefield trick - wow - that'd make things fun!
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If you are referring to post-crisis Superman (the only one you should be referring to,) you are wrong. Even if Superman could fly at 99% of light speed, Silver Surfer travels far faster than lightspeed.
Surfer can't fly without his board, he isn't physically as strong, and nobody is sure he can drain supes. Hulk is a totally different character...because it worked on him...doesnt mean that it would work on Supes.
This is by no means a 1 sided fight. Like I said earlier..with a good writer, it would be a great one.
Superman is certainly not as fast as the Silver Surfer. Silver Surfer is so much more powerful than Superman it isn't even funny. There will be one victor in this fight, and that's the Silver Surfer.
I laugh when people says that surfer is much powerful than superman. Superman has beat people like darkseid, brainiac, or another cosmics guys as powerful as surfer and even more.
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