Yes, I do know that, but it still is relevant to the current topic.
What's wrong with taking away a black person's home in Chicago because his family moved there doing World War 2? His family paid for it. He pays for it. He takes care of it. Same as white farmers in Africa. Almost all had a stronger claim to the land than those that replaced them. (And, by getting rid of them, it destroyed their economies).
No Americans invaded. We aren't talking about Americans. We are talking about honest WHITE people being expelled by BLACK people because of their race, which means the blacks are racist. Understand?
Deceptions? What? That white people own Africa? I have never heard anything like that.
Look, you are being a real ass for someone who "acknowledges" colonization.
1) Americans were not the only ones and were not first in Asia or Africa.
2) "honest white people" - what does that mean? Some people are getting screwed over yeah, but not every African is feeling that way. That is the same sort of idiotic "same box" thinking that FOTN is using.
3) You are mistaking racism for something else - business. Blacks were cheap labor during the Reformation and were resented; Irish immigrants for the same reasons; same with Hispanics today. They will work for cheaper. It's not just racism guy.
* The issue of Africa is far too complex to discuss with someone without a certain amount of understood knowledge already being at the forefront.
"Stronger claim?" What does that mean in logical terms?
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1. I'm not even talking about Americans. I'm talking about native born whites.
2. No, it's not. White people who work for a living, white people who made up the backbone of the Zimbabwean economy, were expelled because of their race.
3. And they were expelled even though they WERE the economy; look at Zimbabwe now; they have 3,714 percent inflation.
You are making the mistake of thinking I'm talking about foreign born whites; I'm talking about white nationals.
Country borders are shit. That's it in a nutshell.
Their father/grandfather bought a piece of land legally that no was living on , and made it into a profitable farm. The people that replaced them reverted all that work and made it back into a wasteland.
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Agriculture is not all of the economy. The inflation is not just because of kicking out "white" farmers. I'm sure good "black" farmers exist, but damn I could be wrong.
Foreign born whites affected Zimbabwe also. You are leaving out a lot of other parts of the politics. It is easy to just say "white people were kicked out because blacks hated them and then the economy went to shit." You do not kick out money! You can hate a certain kind of men all you want but you do not kick out money! It was not that simple guy.
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No, it's not wise to kick out money, yet, blacks in LA burned down their own facilities, and that's not the first time blacks have gone annalistic or rather nuclear (destroying themselves and everything around them) just because they are UPSET or their feelings are hurt. I was right there trying to sooth black ego too, at one time, I was the one thinking blacks were helpless and needed my support from the big bad white system. So, yes, I was right there marching with blacks whenever there was a rally in my town, but I soon learned about the games played. I marched with the blacks when they protested the klan in their town, I was right at the front of the line, eyeball to eyeball, it took a lot of learning to realize that I was being USED. And no, I do not ride on the band wagon of emotionalism that some blacks seem to gather up rather quickly, even among educated blacks.
If they purchased the land and made good of it, then why kick them out? Jealousy? I've seen a lot of things done to people b/c of jealousy.
And no one is doubting there aren't good black farmers, that has nothing to do with the fact that the good white farmers were kicked off of their own land, just b/c of jealousy. You keep protecting them by securing your ego that "blacks are smart too" (there are libraries of information about AFrican way of agriculture, and anyone who has even glanced at them would know that it's ridiculous for you to wonder that there are probably good black farmers, we know that there are good black farmers, THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE), and this has nothing to do with if one group is smart or the other...it has everything to do with what was done as the result of jealousy. Kicking people off their land just b/c they are profiting from it, land that they purchased, that's just terrible.
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The idea was that every white person was part of the former colonial regime, that's why they kicked them out... Of course it really hurt the economy but the government thought that kicking out all whites would be a smart thing and could help make the native population stronger richer and better equipped to secure their own future.
It wasn't the entire economy. But it was the backbone, and that was broken by kicking out the farmers. Yes "black farmers" do exist, but from Zimbabwe's economy now, we can tell those that took over the land have no idea what their doing. And the inflation has been steadily rising since that decision, so yes, it is mostly the expulsion of their best farmers.
They kicked them out, like Fishy said, because they believed them to be symbols of the colonialism era, which is beyond a point of wrong. And yes, they did kick out money. White farmers were factually doing a better job with their land than any other farmers.
You do have to remember that most white people fled the country and took as much of their stuff and money with them as they could. Leaving the new farmers with a lot of material and land but absolutely no money to pay for anything. It was inevitable that most company's would go bankrupt because of that.
And that is only one of the other factors that go into it. Besides, his point was that white farmers being kicked out for being white not how the economy was doing. By his argument, I would assume if the black farmers did just as well he would have no qualms.
That is not the only factor in why the land went to shit but I am not about to explain all the details to folk who try to give one reason for an entire country declining.
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The economy was part of my part it was about race. They were not kicked out because of them being a burden on economy, but because of their race, which I don't believe you can refute in any manner.
Country, or land the farmers were on?
You also have to remember the government helped the farmers who took over too.
With what money would they have done that? The country's biggest income was the white farmers, they were kicked out and took their money. The government only had a limited supply besides with the huge unrest it caused they had plenty of other things to spend their money on. The decision was a disaster economically speaking.
I honestly dont think FOTN is racist or beleives any of the crap he says on this website, for several reasons, mostly because he isn't consistent and denies he said something and avoids discussing his own quotes when someone else lays it on the table in front of him.
I think he just starts all these racially themed threads to ruffles peoples' feathers and to get people talking, and apparently he's good at it porque all of his threads get like a thousand replies in the first 24 hours.
You really like posting that quote of his, dont you?
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Na bro. I don't start these types of threads to ruffles feathers or create angst. I've already clearly stated why i do it. And how haven't i been consistent. I haven't denied what Ive said. I was quoted with what i said, confronted it and explained that there was a misunderstanding with a term I used and misinterpret. I admitted i was wrong, said sorry, and that's that.
As i said before White men, women, and their kids are my beloved brothers and sisters. (I wouldn't be where I am today without them, being that most of my teachers both in high school and college we're White), Without their help I wouldn't be graduating this Sun. June 10 with a Bach. degree of Sci. in Business Admin: Mgt. My beef's with racists for I just think racism is illogical and irrational. And the belief must be defeated no matter what. Even if the effort seems futile. Cause there's always hope.
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Well, whenever Schecter posts that quote of yours that he and Kidrock have made infamous, you always explain it in a way that goes completely against what you said in it. 'Well I really didn't mean it like that...'
Not for any of us, but for your own good and peace of mind. Hating back is not the answer, trust me, I have been there before and it causes nothing but conflict.
You are allowing a small group of white bigots to stain your perceptions of the world and distort the truth.
Do not let those few win...you are giving them thier power with your reasoning and mentality.
Jun 2nd, 2007 05:02 PM
