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Mewtwo can smart


he cant move, he could teleport tho


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hmm ive not seen this Ultimania guide, so id need some official information that i can see

maybe they got their powers from sephiroth, just because he made them doesnt mean he has their powers, or what ones have the specific powers, just because Loz is fast doesnt mean Sephiroth is definaltey as fast, especially since ive never seen him move as quick as Loz before

Wouldnt make sense if Sephiroth can create people who are stronger or faster then him, you have not seen Sephiroth move as fast because we've only seen AC Sephiroth for about 10 minutes at about 25% or less.


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ofc he would start when he kicks it, or not long after otherwise he would not of kicked it, he kicked it for a distraction and not long after maybe less than a second moved, it took him slightly longer to move over the longer distance he did than it took kain to move the shorter distance he had but its not a good comparison, since their diffrent distances

either way now i see it, Loz speed is irrelevent to every fight, unless someone makes a kain VS Loz......but only Sol would make that missmatch


If you look carefully, right before the screen changes to tifa hitting the bench, Loz is still standing at that spot, after he kicked it and the bench was about to hit tifa. As soon as tifa hits the bench, he moves.

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he cant move, he could teleport tho


Cant move? Mewtwo would counter his TK with a blink of an eye.


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Wouldnt make sense if Sephiroth can create people who are stronger or faster then him, you have not seen Sephiroth move as fast because we've only seen AC Sephiroth for about 10 minutes at about 25% or less.




If you look carefully, right before the screen changes to tifa hitting the bench, Loz is still standing at that spot, after he kicked it and the bench was about to hit tifa. As soon as tifa hits the bench, he moves.


it makes sense, why wouldnt it make sense? just because he has a huge power supply doesnt mean the power supply has to include the same aspects, he may had added the speed through power, you cant simply assume because you create something your equel to it in every aspect.

weve only seen him in AC for 10 mins, we see him here and there in the games and a lot more times in the games, than in AC....just because he has greater power does not mean he always has to be faster than others, for example kains power>>>>Sephiroth but that doesnt mean he can be faster than sephiroth, even tho i spose with time powers he could easily but not at base


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Cant move? Mewtwo would counter his TK with a blink of an eye.

what you talking about, counter his TK, its not like TK is a physical force you can hit...not for kain anyway, if it is for M2 then there we go, kain could dodge it

just because M2 has Tk doesnt mean kain would be blocked by M2 Tk if kain Tked, but M2 wouldnt move while in TK hold


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what you talking about, counter his TK, its not like TK is a physical force you can hit...not for kain anyway, if it is for M2 then there we go, kain could dodge it

just because M2 has Tk doesnt mean kain would be blocked by M2 Tk if kain Tked, but M2 wouldnt move while in TK hold


Mewtwo's TK is faster than Kain's so there is no way Kain would get his launched before Mewtwo would have him in lockdown.

Unless Kain can lock someone fully with an instant thought?


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Mewtwo's TK is faster than Kain's so there is no way Kain would get his launched before Mewtwo would have him in lockdown.


launched? M2 has to launch TK? ha......kain doesnt launc anything

if M2 has to launch something then M2 is brown bread

kains TK is a move of his hand and their locked


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launched? M2 has to launch TK? ha......kain doesnt launc anything

if M2 has to launch something then M2 is brown bread

kains TK is a move of his hand and their locked


A move with the hand? Too slow. Mewtwo sends a thought out and Kain is locked.


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A move with the hand? Too slow. Mewtwo sends a thought out and Kain is locked.

you were menstioning launching something?

also ive never seen M2 actually lock someone down completly, at least not with a thought


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you were menstioning launching something?

also ive never seen M2 actually lock someone down completly, at least not with a thought


Of course you have not. You have not seen the movies.


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Of course you have not. You have not seen the movies.


not all of them no, ive seen the first movie with M2 tho, cant remember it tho


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If you have seen the first movie, you have seen him do it. You just do not remember it.


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nope, and i suppose you cannot show me him doing it either?
hmm ah well


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So because in gameplay Spirit Death only works on weak ass enemies we assume it works on anything outside of it? ROFL.

Loz is easily more than double Kain's speed. He makes Cloud look like he's in slow motion, Cloud dodges and blocks bullets with ease.


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So because in gameplay Spirit Death only works on weak ass enemies we assume it works on anything outside of it? ROFL.

Loz is easily more than double Kain's speed. He makes Cloud look like he's in slow motion, Cloud dodges and blocks bullets with ease.



who says it works on weak ass enemies? Terry, damn the guy who knows everything, sorry why did i even bother try to debate against the forum God.....

no, pretyt much it works against everything apart from bosses.....your just trying to make it an obsolete move so your beloved pyron and DS characters would have a chance, also thats Spirit death, he wont be using that against Pyron or the rest of DS, so you may as well drop it before making more of a fool of yourself unless someone can post good proof that in canon it only works against the weak

Pyrons attacks in DS cannot even kill Donavan in one hit........hes not even a full vampire, or the wolf girl.....he takes ages to kill em in-game

thats not a fair represenation because there are no bullets in LOK to judge kains speed in comparison to them so thats a moot point


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Donovan beat Jedah.
Many characters that are strong enough to beat Kain like Jedah or Pyron iif they where in the LOK games, they would be considered Boss Characters. Probably they don't work on Bosses in LOK is because they have strong souls.


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Donovan beat Jedah.
Many characters that are strong enough to beat Kain like Jedah or Pyron iif they where in the LOK games, they would be considered Boss Characters. Probably they don't work on Bosses in LOK is because they have strong souls.


Donovan beat Jedah in canon? surely not!

Boss is simply a gameplay term, just because they have boss over their heads does not mean the assumption they should be able to resist anything, nothing says they have diffrent souls, and having a strong soul doesnt mean anything unless its stated they have defence against soul powers

kain has an incredibly strong and immortal soul but i doubt his soul if it werent for his disabiity to die would be raziels, ime sure raziel would of taken kains soul


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Yeah I think so. Ask V2D if it's canon.
A being with a weak soul would be wormfood to Kain, a being with a medium soul would resist for like a millisecond. A being with a strong soul would resist Kain, If Kain kills an extremely powerful being Kain takes they're soul with ease because they can't resist.


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Yeah I think so. Ask V2D if it's canon.
A being with a weak soul would be wormfood to Kain, a being with a medium soul would resist for like a millisecond. A being with a strong soul would resist Kain, If Kain kills an extremely powerful being Kain takes they're soul with ease because they can't resist.


thats an assumption, kain never has difficulty in taking anyones soul, theres no diffirence in difficulty whether he takes a Demons, Humans, or vampire soul....he is just kicking the soul out

it just depends on whether a being has defence usually against soul attacks, for example Galactus is immune to the soul gem of th IG, so that means that its unlikely most soul devouring beings in Marvel can take his soul if he has one at all that is


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