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Soljer
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http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,104013.0.html

This may be useful in your decision for/against Dragon.


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That's more likely not matter manip but a local gravity distortion...


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Originally posted by Soljer
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,104013.0.html

This may be useful in your decision for/against Dragon.


Thats pretty small but should help.

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Here he is in Round 2 with Overlord. Here, we see OL blow the top off his skyscraper and atomize an entire room filled with cops. The blast only destroys the Dragon's top layer of skin. We also see Dragon's aim on display once again.

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I think this settles it.

Dragon get's the dust-cloud thumb down


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I really don't think Kira's ability can be qualified as organic matter manipulation. it has clearly defined limits, and there are ways of blocking it that several characters in this tournament could use. Also it doesn't really intrinsically change the characters themselves.
Actually, doubling a person's mass without affecting their volume is a pretty intrinsic change.

And, it's still largely affecting their organic matter.

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Dragon grows arms back. He's also class 30 at least. Banhammer him.


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Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
Actually, doubling a person's mass without affecting their volume is a pretty intrinsic change.

And, it's still largely affecting their organic matter.


Agreed. There'd literally HAVE to be matter manipulation in order to double the density of a character.


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Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Dragon grows arms back. He's also class 30 at least. Banhammer him.


Wolverine grows arms back and can dish out more damage than a thirty-tonner.

Would he have been banned in the tourney?


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No where near as low as 30.


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Wolverine grows arms back? blink


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Agreed. There'd literally HAVE to be matter manipulation in order to double the density of a character.

Not necessarily, it's more gravity distortion that changing the characters density.


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Originally posted by Soljer
Wolverine grows arms back and can dish out more damage than a thirty-tonner.

Would he have been banned in the tourney?


Dragon is taking punches from a guy who threw an ENTIRE train !

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This Mummy, however, only had two, fun appearances (one of which, details a brief encounter with Zeek). Here's the first appearance where he fights Hellboy and Dragon at once. There's no backstory as to why it shows up, which is what's so great about the book at times. Random weirdness like this (the fact that a monkey with Hitler's brain is controlling it makes it all the more weird) can spring up and it totally fits because it's so outlandish and over-the-top, you know Erik Larsen is laughing along with the readers. Anyway, enjoy:

http://www.upkb.com/images/ISv43853.jpg
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http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hellboy1zd1.jpg

Notice how Hellboy and Dragon can't do shit to the thing. It's pounding them pretty easily and throws an entire frieght train (a few thousand tons) with one hand like it was nothing. They only get rid of it by spinning the Mummy on top of a fuel spill and lighting it up. Still doesn't stop it for long since it shows up later.


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Thats nothing.

Zeek ripped of Hercules arms, killed an entire squad of Gods. Then Dragon took a full punch from Zeek. Landed far away and got back very soon. That HC thread is helpful as hell.


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Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Wolverine grows arms back? blink




You'd have to ask a Wolverine fan whether he's ever actually grown his ENTIRE arm back - but I know he's had every bit of flesh stripped off it, and regrew it within the space of a page or two.

However;

Wolverine grows every inch of flesh on his body back. Several times. He regrows hearts, lungs, and friggin spleens in less time than it takes to clip your nails. He's survived decapitation - a little more impressive than dismemberment.


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Originally posted by grey fox
Dragon is taking punches from a guy who threw an ENTIRE train !


I wasn't arguing that he's allowable.

I was arguing that Trick's reasons weren't good enough to ban him.


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How long does this phase last exactly?


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Not necessarily, it's more gravity distortion that changing the characters density.


I didn't say anything about gravity...

I mentioned that if the change was density, then it would have to be matter manipulation.


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Regarding Jotaro, his durability isn't that great. It's the stand that takes the damage. And if the user takes damage, the stand takes damage, and vice-versa.

2nd, most of what Jotaro does is isn't beyond Spider-man level. Spidey dodges bullets at close range, he's lifted cars and braced giant shipping containers that weighted over 60 tons.


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Originally posted by Soljer
I didn't say anything about gravity...

I mentioned that if the change was density, then it would have to be matter manipulation.

Allright then,just clarifying. Anyways, I think we should probably start organizing this a bit better, maybe tally the votes, etc.


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Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Regarding Jotaro, his durability isn't that great. It's the stand that takes the damage. And if the user takes damage, the stand takes damage, and vice-versa.

2nd, most of what Jotaro does is isn't beyond Spider-man level. Spidey dodges bullets at close range, he's lifted cars and braced giant shipping containers that weighted over 60 tons.


Jotaro is a sixty tonner that can stop time, now?

Yeah, you're not making a very good case for yourself, in my humble opinion.


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