Its very ahrd to dicern. Especially if you put the Butterfly effect into play. Claire provides a number of additions to the story after the school incident.
She
-is responsible for Peters knowledge of Hiro
-she pulls the glass out of Peters head
-She changes Nathans opinion to help
-She takes away Sylars ability to regenerate
-She causes Bennet to leave the company
-She stops ted from going Nuclear.
pick your poison, its hard to really tell how her story came into play.
I still think the second timeline came to be because Hiro wasn't there.
I mean, while he was in the future, the timeline progresses without Hiro stopping Sylar, and the bomb goes off...
Claire is the biggest reason from the change between the 1st timeline and the one that actually came to happen (the third), but without Hiro in the present, the 2nd timeline was created... IMO
I know it creates a rather ridiculous loop hole, but that's all I can think happened
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Good Lord, no it wasn't, it was far too important to the story- and besides which, even if it was it would still be vialble to analyse like this.
Hiro has to have been there, SDJ, because of the memories of other people about his actions at the time. Like Ando dying. He can't have died if he was not there.
I guess if 'Villain!' is all we can think of then that's all there is... but it is unsatisfying.
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Sorry, simply wrong- not the definition of a MacGuffin. It's far too important to the plot. The whole point of a Macguffin is that it is a. functionally irrelevant and b. no-one really cares about it.
This is manifestly not true of the destruction of New York, which is a central plot element.
And they are making it work on that level everywhere else.
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Yes, frankly, calling that a Macguffin is rather clueless.
They've made the audience care about it. They have dedicated entire episodes into exploring it. Everything in the first season leads up to it. This isn't dressing up, this makes it fundamentally different from a Macguffin- which has to be something of no relevance, that no-one cares about, and that it doesn;'t matter that we don't even know what it is, like the contents of the microfilm in North by Northwest. THAT was irrelevant, and hence a Macguffin.
This... simply is not. How you can try and define the explosion as unimportant to the story mystifies me. It is seen and referred to all the way through, and it has a direct bearing on the plot and emotional development of characters within the story- all things a Macguffin never does. It's so far from being a Macguffin as to make the claim ludicrous.
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