HAHAHAHAHA, you think he only slept with Anamaria?!
Ooooh my, you crack me up.
Well he is a sleez, as are most pirates, and there were many others. He did jokingly ask Lizzie to marry him, but I think there was more to that than a joke, I can't quite put it in words. It's a Sparrabeth thing, you wouldn't understand.
I'm not going to argue with you anymore, honestly not to be rude or anything, I don't really like to talk about Jack with someone who thinks he's fine as a rum-guzzling, sleezy comic character who's only goal in life is to run from everything.
And also, do you think Jack would give a damn about Will? Seriously, he DID flirt with Lizzie, he DID kiss her and he DID propose, whether jokingly or not.
They're friendship isn't that strong, you've got to be delusional if you think that would stop him from getting what he wants.
That's kind of messed up to me you can't discuss something with a person who is a fan of Jack Sparrow just as he is. And It's a Sparrabeth thing, I wouldn't understand? It just sounds like the hopes of a bunch of people who wanted a different story than Disney was writing.
And no I don't think Jack only slept with Anamaria I'm quite sure Jack got around he got slapped quite a bit too much in the film for him NOT to have gotten around.
And I know he didn't have any strong loyalties to Will he's a pirate his loyalties change based on what is best for his direct interests but I still laugh at the idea that him sleeping with Anamaria is slutty but him kissing Elizabeth wasn't. Sparrabeth as a whole was slutty on Jack's part especially and Elizabeth's little coy flirting to get her way and kissing Jack to kill him wasn't exactly honorable behavior either.
All in all I'm fine with Jack Sparrow as he is. I am a fan of the character that Disney created and T&T wrote. I don't have an false illusions about some romantic figure buried underneath the pirate at all. I like him just as he is.
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I meant it's a Sparrabeth thing as in, people who are against a shipping usually tend to overlook/ignore/just plain don't see the things the people that are the shippers do. I see things in Lizzie and Jack's relationship that you don't is what I'm saying
Also, are you saying one kiss between Lizzie and Jack is equal to sex with Anamaria, wow there must be alot of chemistry between Sparrabeth then, or maybe a serious lack with Sparramaria?
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PS, does this mean that their flirting or...slutty-ness...is pretty much more provocative than actual sex? That kind of boggles me...how is it possible that Jack is more of a whore when he is flirting with Lizzie than sleeping with whores...
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I didn't say he was more of a whore. I'm fine with Jack being a whore. It's who he is. My point is I think it's ridiculous to sit there and complain about him sleeping with a single woman when some people here ooh and ahh and gush about him trying to kiss a engaged woman. The wenches things doesn't bother me again, he's a pirate, a seedy creature period. He's not a good guy he killed Barbossa too just out of revenge. I mean sleeping with whores is one of the lesser of Jack's evils.
I don't think there was a lot of chemistry between Sparrabeth.
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why do all discussions always wind back to THAT particular argument? can we have a discussion about Jack being a whore without it involving ship bashing or ship promotion?
oh and ps, to add to my previous post, kissing/flirtation/sexual tension between two characters who aren't going to get together isn't slutty, or whatever. it's called a plot device. we'd have to start picking on Will for his response to Tia, or pick on Barbossa, Sao, etc, for their sexual jokes and innuendo with elizabeth, or pick on Gibbs for taking Jack's leftovers, etc, if we were going to start picking on IMMORAL PIRATES for their behavior around pretty girls. hahaha.
let's all just be mature here and stop trying to make this a moral argument. they are all pirates and pretty much have no morals, as we can see with all of them. i dont think we can judge elizabeth for flirting with jack anymore than we could judge anamaria for sleeping with jack or pintel and ragetti for spying on elizabeth through the cracks. sluts all around, but we love them anyways.
on another note, where do you think Anamaria got the ship Jack stole from her to begin with? She was angry enough to make me think she earned it fairly.
I agree with this 100% but that was my point I didn't get condemning Anamaria and Jack while fantasizing about Elizabeth and Jack. To me that made no sense because all of it IMO could be considered wrong and slutty. But I mean I really don't care I love Captain Jack period, immorality and all. That's who he is.
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is it okay to date your best friend's boyfriend, No!!
Slutty-ness isn't flirting--Sluttyness is vile and demeaning to the person generating it and anyone affected by it. (think that loud and uninteresting woman New York?)
Flirting is fun, may be an attempt to "hook up" , may just be for a fun thang, a little ego boost, usually harmless intent.
Whore is someone who sleeps with men or women for money, drugs.
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hahaha Tex, your definitions were great. i tend to use words like "whore" and "****" out of context a lot, what is that from, Mean Girls?
depending on your background of course, small things like staying out too late with a guy or wearing a low-cut shirt can qualify you as a whore, to some people. lol.
to me, they looked like they had some long-standing rivalry, but not any fireworks. Anamaria looked so angry with him that it makes you think she was in love with him at one point, and got shafted.
Miz Kateloves, sorry having a grumpus moment when I writ that. I am no a prude, or Puritanical in beliefs, just life's too short. Them used to be fighting words. As we name ourselves, so we grow.
I get 'old school' infrequently, please accept apologies. You so hit the nail on the head--depending on your background!
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