Obvoulsy losing his whole planet is going to have an impact on him.
Yeah because most teenagers who are trapped in a dimension tormented by memories of the past who dont really have anybody to talk and are being manipulated would end up fine. You keep ignoring the circumstances.
Yeah sure it does. SBP was already losing his mind and Alex is master manipulator it makes him look real bad.
No it isnt most of his time was spent staring at the wall going crazy and with Alex who was manipulating him.
SBP may reedem himself, you are also ignoring the fact that like SBP Superman was manipulating into doing evil. That still illustrates my point.
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Last edited by Deadline on Jul 26th, 2009 at 03:08 PM
how? he lost the people he cared about, but as you said, he was a veritable child at the time. he wouldn't have the capacity to recognise the deaths of 6 billion people, and even if he did, is he really going to care about every single solitary one of them? i doubt it.
he had SUPERMAN. there is no better role model.
does that excuse all the horrible acts he performed?
how do you know that? how could you know that? we only saw glimpses of their life in that place.
i'm not ignoring a damn thing.
how can he be redeemed? seriously?
When Superman was manipulated in to doing evil, how many people did he kill? How many earth's did he blow up? how many superheroes did he kill while whining about how he was the "real superman"
being mentally and physically controlled is not the same as being manipulated.
He may not have had the capacity to recognise the death of 6 billion but you're not just going to care about three people, obvoulsy you're going to miss your planet the things you used to do and places you used to go.
Superman wasnt present the whole time. SBP was losing his mind, is that his fault?
No Superman isnt enough. You really think if you were stuck in a dimension with nothing to do but have you're memories replayed back to you that Superman is going to be enough? Hes a teenages for christ sake.
90 percent of people would have ended up the same way. Lets put it this way there was a street kid in Brazil that held up a bus with a gun, was what he did wrong, yes but if we knew what drove him to do that we would be more sympathetic. ( no parenting, possibly raped beaten up and shot at etc)
Lets put it this way, it obvoulsy wasnt enough because he was going mad. When you're going nuts that doesnt exactly help you make right decisons.
My bad I can comment on that in detail but Wolverine has done some pretty horrible things and im pretty sure hes indicated that Professor X has helped him keep on the straight and narrow. Batman had Alfred to talk to I wouldnt be suprised if he had parents like Promotheus he would have ended up screwed up as well.
__________________ Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.
- General George Patton Jr
so in short, you're excusing everything he did because he couldn't handle the loss he felt and alex manipulated him? that's what you're basically saying?
didio says countdown was "52 done right". he's not exactly the most knowledgeable. and johns has already built him up to be the nut fanboy that exists within dc.
as for your post, tbh, i just feel like we'd be going around in circles, and i don't want to derail the thread any further than it already has been.
plenty of us read IC. what it has to do with it is didio's opinions when it comes to comic books. this is the guy that tried to off nightwing before only four years later making him the new batman.
Because its about the guys opinion on moraility. He also stated that it was Geoff Johns intention to make the story complex and make no clear cut heroes and villains. So its not just his opinion.
__________________ Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.
- General George Patton Jr
his opinion on morality has nothing to do with prime's actions. prime killed billions of people. the last time he did anything heroic was in 1985. since then, all he's done is perform villainous acts. that makes him a villain.
Yeah of course were talking about morality so obvoulsy its irrelevent and its not just his opinion.
Been over this.
He may not have had the capacity to recognise the death of 6 billion but you're not just going to care about three people, obvoulsy you're going to miss your planet the things you used to do and places you used to go.
Superman wasnt present the whole time. SBP was losing his mind, is that his fault?
No Superman isnt enough. You really think if you were stuck in a dimension with nothing to do but have you're memories replayed back to you that Superman is going to be enough? Hes a teenages for christ sake.
90 percent of people would have ended up the same way. Lets put it this way there was a street kid in Brazil that held up a bus with a gun, was what he did wrong, yes but if we knew what drove him to do that we would be more sympathetic. ( no parenting, possibly raped beaten up and shot at etc)
Lets put it this way, it obvoulsy wasnt enough because he was going mad. When you're going nuts that doesnt exactly help you make right decisons.
My bad I can comment on that in detail but Wolverine has done some pretty horrible things and im pretty sure hes indicated that Professor X has helped him keep on the straight and narrow. Batman had Alfred to talk to I wouldnt be suprised if he had parents like Promotheus he would have ended up screwed up as well.
__________________ Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.
- General George Patton Jr
LOL the point im trying to make is that Didio and Geoff were trying to show that SBP wasnt really a villain.
Yes and you didnt bother respond to it properly so there no point in bringing up what hes done since 1985 but obvoulsy you're going to say were just going around in circle. Hey but I thought I brought up issues that were relevant and needed to be addressed but thats just me.
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Last edited by Deadline on Jul 26th, 2009 at 04:23 PM
Honeslty what happened in your past doesnt excuse anything you do, and defintly dosn't mean it's ok just beacuse you had some shit happen in your life.
You say 90% of people have turned out bad, but I'm sure they wouldnt take it to the extent that he did.
And the Didio's oppinion on morality doesnt mean much of anything when they have him do evil things in every appearance and have every in DC know him as a villian.
Hell didn't he imply that he killed his old Girlfriend because she didn't want to see him after all the evil he has done.
No beacsue i'm not like that, I wont kill people that had nothign to do with my family dieing. So i'm sure as hell I wouldn't destroy other earths and kill countless people just beacuse mine is gone. Why cause more people to feel the hurt. and you keep asking if we have been in comaprable situation when you havn't either, none of us have had our planet destroyed.
And obviously they failed at it, considering they have him go around killing because hes mad and have every person in DC consider him a villian even his family and then he implies he killed or maybe seriously hurt the person he cared about most because she didn't want to be apart of all he's done.
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