Neither side is going to win it based on their ships or armada. It all comes down to who is the better strategist. Thanos has always sought out artifacts of power and most of his tech and clones are just experimentation anyways. He built the Dreadnaught when he as younger anyways and really wasnt out to overtake the universe with might as he realized thats a fools way to try to overtake the universe.
Thanos also has the synthetic gem and Adam Warlock's gem to snuff out any old particular sun but we both know this isnt going to win the war.
The stasis guns are impressive enough to hold Thor captive with the friggin power gem. So yeah this will definitely help out in this epic battle against Darkseid and his forces.
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He was powerful, but he wasn't as invulnerable, nor as strong, he had lost his flight ability and no longer had any energy powers.
In exchange for intelligence, skill...and some knives.
I'm saying, Blood Brothers - not that powerful, as you admit.
Paibak actually ISN'T that bright. What was his idea in the Drax mini, take over a small Alaskan town? And even THAT didn't work out!
With the kind of technology Darkseid has at his disposal, simple skrullians shouldn't be too much trouble to detect.
The Skrull Army doesn't even exist, save for a very select few.
Skrulls are the refugees of the universe at this point, totally impotent. The Kree are only slightly better off, half their empire ceded to the Annihilation Wave.
The Sh'iar are too dangerous to get mixed up with; it would be unfortunate for Thanos to have the Sh'iar Imperial Guard against him before he even begins to go up against Darkseid.
In the DC Universe, more worshipers for a god means more power for that God. This is made ABUNDANTLY clear, recently, with the whole Athena/Ares/Aphrodite power level comparison to Zues.
Cronus having more worshipers is precisely what gave him the win here, as you yourself admit, and thus this is a power feat.
What planning, exactly, are you referring to? The whole conflict consists of Cronus coming in with his Gods, fighting the each god one on one, and winning through pure power superiority.
If you're dismissing this due to a lack of similar circumstances, virtually all of your examples no longer hold credence in relation to Darkseid's bad showings. Every example you have brought up refers to one sided prep or a surprise attack.
Conquering New Genesis is only one part of his plan, a small piece.
He already had the chance, and didn't.
He and all of New Genesis, yes.
Izaya is dead, and New Genesis is STILL keeping Apokolips in check. Hardly the center of things that you are painting him to be.
So the whole point of this argument is that an equally powerful, equally advanced, equally intelligent planet is able to stalemate Darkseid and Apokolips?
No disagreement.
I ALSO don't think Thanos is going to stand a chance against New Genesis, of course.
Darkseid stopped him cold on his own, with his own technology, due to his own plans.
Don't try to spread the wealth of credit.
In the same way that Thanos failed during the Infinity Gauntlet saga, and the Cosmic Cube saga, and the Soul Gem debacle, yes. All of those were big failures for Thanos, as he ultimately failed to achieve his desire.
Magus makes it clear that he is going to kill Thanos, and that he is more powerful than Thanos. As the champion of life, it was always his duty to defeat, forever, the Champion of Death - Thanos.
That being the case, Thanos is as likely - more likely, going by Thanos' love of physical confrontation - to get himself killed in the heat of battle, and to leave himself open to attacks.
Are you referring to the Cosmic Cube saga? I don't recall Kronos or Lord Chaos/Master Order having anything to do with the Soul Gem stuff.
Of course cosmics are going to align to stop Thanos when he's got a big cosmic artifact at his command. Hardly evidence of his prep skill.
Same, I suppose, as some god coming from out of nowhere to steal your power and take advantage of your plans.
Of course, Darkseid still managed a way to salvage that one.
I realize this is different than a tournament, but it might be advantageous to adopt the post limit rules that tourneys have. There's a lot of material in this thread, and much more than most judges will want to read. In any battle, especially in a 1-on-1 setting, there shouldn't be anything that can't be said in, say, 6-7 posts.
He's arrogant, undoubtedly, but it isn't as if he had complex dossiers on Doomsday and Cyborg Superman, so what do you want?
Just as you in another post, it doesn't really matter -- this was a surprise attack, something that COULDN'T be planned.
In our little scenario, Darkseid has a year to plot and plan and prepare for Thanos' attack. Not the same at all.
If Darkseid responded that way, certainly.
But I've demonstrated that Darkseid has weapons powerful enough to stun, even kill, Doomsday. It would be a simple matter to stun him, and then send him to wherever.
Again though, this has nothing to do with anything -- right?
There would be no Cyborg Superman or Doomsday surprise attacking in this war either.
Your point is...useless, either way.
And if you're insistent on using Adam Warlock, it MUST be noted that Superman has intervened on behalf of Darkseid no less than three times.
Its possible.
It has to be noted that all of Thanos' sentries, protections, etc up until that point were 100% breached.
Pretty sad, given how weak Champion was at that point - taken out from one very casual punch from Dumb Drax.
Oh, and again, Darkseid has similarly removed Superman -- in fact, in a VERY similar circumstance.
I'll face a complete picture of the facts rather than the abridged version you seem to be playing with.
To summarize this post alone you're...
1. Using an example that gives Darkseid no prep time, claiming it a legitimate showing of Darkseid's readiness after 1 year of prep, and then decrying other examples I've shown (Olympus vs Granny Goodness) as largely invalid because the Olympians didn't have any idea what was coming.
2. Showing an example of an extremely weak character getting through Thanos' defenses to prove Thanos' superiority
3. Ignoring a similar example of Darkseid banishing Superman instantly
In previous posts, you've also used a couple examples of Darkseid making him available on the battlefield as proof positive that he is going to make himself available to Thanos' forces, ignoring the times in which Thanos has single handidly sought out battle - a lot - and the times that extremely weak forces, with no prep time, have been able to reach Thanos - which was also a lot (Soul Gem, Cosmic Cube).
Whatever the reasoning, it remains essentially the same, or if not the same that similar.
To be clear, I'm not saying Thanos isn't going to be able to take over Titan -- just that the expenditure of resources to take over and hold it will be a HUGE setback for him, for while Darkseid is planning his battle with Thanos and building his war machine Thanos will have to plan a war with Titan, undoubtedly lose some resources in conquering the planet, and be left with the necessity of maintaining control of the planet -- filled with a hostile population -- while waging a war against Darkseid.
No, not easy as pie, as demonstrated the last time he tried to take over the planet.
Ah, but Darkseid won't be preoccupied with New Genesis. Darkseid's war with the Green Lantern Corps already demonstrated the way they feel about getting involved in one of Darkseid's wars.
And that was with a benevolent peace keeping force like the Green Lantern Corps.
Ahh, the clones. I'll get to the clones with your big post about them in a moment.
Nevertheless, given Thanos' penchant for physical battle, it should be easy to get a bead on him.
I don't see why they wouldn't be able to get to him, or why they wouldn't be able to contact him from across the light years, as Desaad was able to control scientists on earth from Apokolips.
Yeah, otherwise it's not a Battlezone thread, a thread for you guys to post against each other as long as you want, with the ability to yell at anyone else who decides they have an opinion. It's a bit egotistical, and would also be against the general forum rules unless done through proper Battlezone limitations and rules.
No, I don't believe that Thanos is going to be able to get to Apokolips, at least not for a long while, if Darkseid has all of his forcefields, psi ops, snares, and weapons in place.
The battle will more than likely take place in the area AROUND Apokolips, but I don't anticipate Thanos penetrating very far, what with Darkseid's superior technology, superior resources, superior calvary numbers, superior elite warriors and superior trumps.
It is nice that Thanos has created time machines, but Apokolips has those as well, as I demonstrated a while ago -- and they are much smaller and more manueverable, too.
I will respond to the clones in the next one, but you know what I am going to say.
He adapted to his failure, right, against heroes that he really should have seen coming.
But he failed to do that, too.
Darkseid adapted to the failure of his plan against Ares, who he couldn't have seen coming, and then won the day.
Thanos ended up a stone statue for over a decade.
That is fine, that isn't his role. But when it comes to it, he can still be more powerful and more effective than most anyone on your team.
Not to mention he could mass produce the devices that gave him the power to go toe to toe with Byrne Supes and Dr. Fate and hand them out to elite soldiers -- that would certainly boost a lot of stats, and give even Thanos' most powerful pause.
Clones and Omega aren't going to come into play here, but even if they DID I'd wager that the armor would do fine against most of those clones, Omega the exception.
He saw through Luthor's eyes to reach the Anti Moniter, but his energies had nothing to do with the blast that affected the Anti - Moniter so thoroughly, and it was his technology that allowed him to use Alex Luthor as a portal through which to see. Again, two great showings for his technology, offensive and sensory.
Not really. Not given the fact that Darkseid has avatars and technology capable of replicating his form.
Scarecrow used Desaad's technology to drive Superman insane. It is not a "shared feat" in that all Scarecrow did was stay on earth and push a button or two.
Okay, this is really the only part of this post I have to respond to.
Thanos isn't going to have access to his clones in this battle.
Why not?
It has nothing to do with the rules, and everything to do with practicality.
Thanos' clones were uncontrollable. Unreliable. They tried to KILL HIM for crissakes.
He has been trying to use them, perfect them, for YEARS (Ka-Zar being the first known incident, and that was over a decade ago). He specifically sought to destroy them, rather than use them, because they were totally uncontrollable.
That is how unsalvagable they were. Thanos, the guy who loves any intellectual challenge, sought to destroy every one of them because he couldn't find a way to use them for his own gain.
Thanos using them would be a HUGE strategic error, as the last time any of them were conscious they set off a tactical black hole in his face.
The guy had to systematically kill them, and it almost killed HIM.
Releasing his clones would be, again, a huge mistake and could very well win the war for Darkseid in and of itself.
For the record, I believe that even IF the clones were around, Darkseid would still win this. The Promethean is a more powerful (and controllable) trump, the Brimestone Corps would ROLL OVER pretty much anything you can send against Darkseid, weapons in my arsenal alter reality, destroy and channel entire stars into weapons. Telepaths (as one of Thanos' clones is) are helpless against the New Gods, and can be rendered unconscious and useless with technology.
Omega, powerful though he was SAID to be, was ultimately defeated by a bunch of energy blasts, was stunned by Spiderman's webbing, was knocked down heavily by a Soul Gem blast (previously, in WaIW, the most powerful Soul Gem blast Adam Warlock could manage was described as capable of knocking down a building).
Ok one thing I wasnt sure on was how we are doing this. I didnt know but I guess we get all their allies and outside forces are all current then,correct?
Paibok isnt the brightest but then again neither are half the idiots that work for Darkseid. Kalibak is an outright idiot himself and as long as they dont come into contact with Desaad or anyone remotely intelligent Paibok could indeed work his way in here. The planet is immense and Darkseid doesnt notice everything on his planet at all times.
In my second attack of the clones post youll see why they most certainly are going to be involved. I knew you were going to fight me on this and as well you should because with the clones it really makes Thanos win in a landslide. But be patient in my second attack of the clones I will tell you why they are most certainly included.
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