Being a Phoenix an wielder of the Phoenix Force is stated to be the "ultimate mutation" the pinnacle of evolution. A power of a Phoenix is unparallelled telekinesis to give complete and total control over matter and energy at a phenomenal scale. ("Telekinetic Godhood")
Jean as Phoenix perceives things beyond surface level right down to the component parts which compose matter and energy:
The others claim how that that was a facet of the original Phoenix's(Jean) power, to rearrange reality around her to coincide with her conscious and subconscious desires:
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You might've noticed I never touched your thread my boy,
but don't hink I didn't notice this subtle allusion.
I could care less about the exaggerations and mis-interpretations taking place in here potna,
but now that this biatch put my name into it,
it's time to clear things up.
Freakin bio doesn't prove or change anything.
The Phoenix Force has always been a "Universal power"
did yall just discover that?
But,
in "Here Comes Tomorrow"
Jean did NOT manipulate the atoms of 616 Universe, (in any way, shape or form)
It is clearly stated in the Official Marvel bios,
it was the "Alternate Future of Reality 15104" (the Future of a Timeline)
"In ONE Future, Phoenix severed the Alternate Future ... OF ... Reality - 15104"
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Yall can spin it all yall want ...
You don't want me in your thread, that fine,
but tell those kids to stop using my name in it.
Jean went into the Past, changed Scott's mind about his life, Emma & the X-Men,
and then Scott's decision Alters Reality 15104.
According to Grant Morrison: (the Writer of this arc)
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(excerpt from the Questionnaires addressed to the Writers, last page New X-Men #155)
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Phoenix never held an entire Universe in her hands and made amputations to it.
With PREP (Seven pages to be exact)
Jean amputated the Alternate Future of Reality 15104.
Reality 15104 is 150 years old,
how can this be compared to 616 which has been expanding for Billions of years?
Reality 15104 is a possible Future of Reality 616.
Reality 15104's Future, NOT 616's ...
is what Jean amputated and Repaired in the WHR atomically.
Jean never did anything to Reality 15104 which manifested in her hands.
(read X-Men #154)
At the end of the issue (#154) Jean goes back in time,
changes Scott's mind about Emma & the X-Men,
this then Alters the possible Future of 616.
So essentially it was Scott's decision that created and Altered 15104, not Jean.
Jean ONLY manipulated Scott's decision,
but the power to alter that Reality laid in Scott's mind.
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BTW.
Uatu did the same thing with Reality 311 (the year 1602 of the 616 Universe)
Uatu held it in his hands, and then placed that entire Universe within himself.
That entire Universe of course was a Timeline just like Jean's,
and a "Tiny" one at that, because it was a young Reality just like Jean's 15104.
All Timelines are universes, I've never denied that.
But Timelines because of their infancy and untimely existence are tiny/baby universes,
they are universes nontheless,
but there's a huge difference
between a Universe that's been expanding for billions of years,
and a universe that's barely over 150 years old.
This is why Uatu can also hold Timelines in his hands like marbels.
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Great respect thread, kudos to all involved
I wish Mr Masters could just leave it alone, and debate these issues in the proper thread.Is it possible to take out his post? the flow of information is disrupted by his attempt at debating
Yes indeed. That's the reason this thread was supposed to be REMASTERED. . Good job guys. Mr. Master could u please take your references to the vs. board.
I'll agree with the majority in this situation. Master, leave it for either the vs. forum, your hierarchy thread, or even occasional (but not overwhelming) posts in the "Mythbuster" thread.
Any subsequent posts intended as debate-provoking will be edited.
As for others, if Master has a point, don't try to play off a character as higher than they are. Truth, not exagerration, is always preferable.
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To Digi, I never wanted to post in here, I never have,
no offense to the thread but thankfully from what I've seen
no one really pays any mind to it in the vs threads,
everyone pretty much know the real deal.
Anyway,
this is WHY I posted in this thread Digi ...
(I will never post here again, but let me clear my name ... Watch the hypocrisy)
Quite different now when we see the big picture laid out for us .... ey Digi?
These cats are literally having a discussion about my views openly in This thread,
full of condescension, plus, discrediting my established interpretations.
On this one, you know I'm right ... You don't do that in a "Respect Thread"
You make your opinions known (right or wrong) and keep it at that.
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The usual suspects in the arena of hypocrites never fails us.
Why didn't you make a comment about how it was THEM that started the debate?
All you saw was your opportunity to shine against Mr Master ...
Same goes for you homie,
why aren't you telling the thread started not to incite Mr Master
into coming in here and making a point,
Mr Master's NAME is being tossed in a derogatory (fallacious) conversation between spam man, and himself concerning what I Then, POSTED in Here.
So they have the right to amuse the public with My Name in This thread
but I don't get to defend it though?
Right? .... Fascism?
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Master, by now you must realize that your heavy-handed and elaborate style ends up offending and/or intimidating many, or at least turning them off from it. I could care less about the validity of your conclusions. From all I've seen, they're very calculated and for the most part correct. But that clearly isn't the issue.
And sure, it runs both ways, so others should stop trying to incite you to debate. But nothing I saw in those posts counts as anything against forum rules, so quit trying to pass the blame when it's clear you've overstepped the bounds of this thread.
I guess we should just take, Mr. M’s response here, as a form of brining a perspective over Phoenix. But there is no reason, why Me or GS would write our own for informative reasons.
As long as, the flow of information is not broken and a heated debate is not incited. I see no harm done right?
Disclaimer: I can provide most of the material posted by myself. So if anyone wishes to read over a certain issue. Simply PM me.
And so, I will post most of New X-Men #154 (not all …No Cover, introduction, and questioners for you >_< ) since recent rules forbid me to post an entire comic book. Reason for this is, I simply isolate, and cut out specific parts to explain myself. I don’t want you to get the wrong idea, of any quote or scan manipulation is taking place. So, the entire image can be used here as back reference.
Now I feel the need to explain myself, since I am the one claiming White Phoenix of the Crown amputated the future a reality (which was 616, which later becomes 15104) and manifested 616 Universe on the palm of her hand. I will also take my time, and break a few mythos regarding Phoenix in “Here Comes Tomorrow”.
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Just a few, if you like them, then I shall post more...allot more
Ah the much alluded, and controversial occurrences of “Here Comes Tomorrow”. Its where two of Phoenix Feats takes place, ironically its also a topic that stems a much heated debate (I am sure you have seen it from time to time). Well I am such a nice guy, you can download issues 150-155 along with Official Mutant Files and The Official Handbook to Alternate Realities”. [/]Here[/].
Note: Please keep in mind that, when a reality is diverged from its time line it becomes an alternate/parallel reality from its breeching point (the point from where, an action to took place to alter the future). Before the event adjustment, it’s was the chronological future. After the even adjustment, it sprouts a different future. So I encourage the followings.
(1) - Have a basic understanding, of how future of a reality, can become an alternate reality (because it can get complicated).
(2) - I STRONGLY encourage, members to pre-read New X-Men 150-155, and use the bio to supplement (not override) the comic’s depiction.
Significance of the material I provided [/]Here[/]. New X-Men 150 - It marks the first appearance “Here Comes Tomorrow” arc, taking place 150 years into the future. New X-Men 151-154 - The bulk happenings and occurrences takes place. Along with the “Event Adjustment“, at the end of 154. Where the past is altered, so the future never comes to be. New X-Men 155 - The Epilogue sort of speak. You do find Grant Morrison short answer and explanation in the questionnaire at the vary last page. The Official Hand Book of the Marvel Universe “Alternate Realities” - you will find one page, dedicated to “Here Comes Tomorrow”. X-Men: Messiah Complex “Mutant Files” - You will find the most recent Official bio, over 616 Phoenix.
So if you think I am manipulating the context, just DL and back reference the uncorrupted material.