Do the Marvel and Dc multiverses exist within the same creation?
Thats a question i've been wondering for a long time. It wasn't until the release of the JLA/Avengers crossover and the official acknowledgement of the crossover as canon from both companies that i finally got an answer.
Remember Spectre and LT’s battle against the Brothers in the non canon crossover Marvel Vs DC?
Well those brothers were retconned in X-men Adventures to being guardians created by LT and the Spectre:
LT talks of having to consult his “spectral hooded ally” about creating the Brothers (please log in to view the image)
LT’s bio talks of how he helped create the Brothers.
The Grandmasters bio also refers to the JLA/Avengers crossover.
Marvel directly acknowledges the DC world as existing. Marvel also acknowledges that there is only one omniverse which means they are within the same creation.
So basically more confirmation that DC and Marvels comic book properties exist in the same omniverse, but just in separate multiverses and they do not depict each other unless given specific permission to(e.g one off crossovers)because of copyright.
I’ve heard some arguments with regards to how Marvel characters such as Roma number all realities within the omniverse, does that change the fact that Marvels stance is that theres one omniverse and that DC are their extra-dimensional neighbours?
Just means that while DC residents might call it Earth-S, Roma might call it Earth 16781 from her Marvel perspective
The omniverse depicted in Marvel is from a Marvel bias and perspective. Omniversal roles are possessed by characters from both companies and for all their talk of being able to destroy or affect an omniverse, it either never happens or if it does then its always done from that specific companies perspective because that’s all they have the right to do by copyright law unless they write up an agreement with the other company allowing them to specifically depict or refer to the other company’s property being affected/destroyed such as within the JLA/Avengers canon crossover.
I’ve heard talk of how Marvels Supreme Being is TOAA and DC’s is The Presence. Does that change the fact that Marvels stance is that there’s one omniverse and DC is recognised as an extra-dimensional neighbour?
If anything it should make you question what TOAA and Presence are in relation to each other, are they the same being represented differently to the two multiverses? Who knows? The fact that we don’t know the answer to that question does NOT change Marvels official stance.
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Last edited by GalacticStorm on Jan 9th, 2008 at 06:42 PM
One could say that the whole of Marvel = an Omniverse, and the whole of DC = an Omniverse, and these two Omniverses can exist together at certain times, [ie. when crossovers occur], to form a greater Omniverse, [which follows the 'greater levels of infinity' concept in comics]....
But I wouldn't say that they are perma-linked to the same general creation, ALL of the time -- or else you'd have Marvel characters affecting DC, and vice versa..
Would that make sense?
I refuse to believe Roma can destroy Universes in DC with the CN, and that Superman saved DC AND Marvel by vibrating.
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Marvel states that there is only ONE omniverse as per the actual definition of the word. Marvel acknowledges DC as extra-dimensional neigbours.
By that point they certainly exist within the same omniverse. The reason we don't see interaction between the two regularly is simply a matter of real world copyright.
True, their loosely termed 'omniverse' in Marvel comics, simply means to me, all of the groups of Marvel comics universes. While DC is it's own creation as well, and there's simply no word for something greater when concerning groups of universes. It's pretty much a misfire whenever it's used in a comics by any of the comics given that to most readers it would include pretty much the whole genre of hero comics.
I believe in one comic they said Superman Blue was potentially the most powerful being in the omniverse.
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Plus if its Marvels stance that the omniverse is literally all there is and that theres only one and that DC are their extra-dimensional neighbours, thats pretty much conclusive that they're within the same creation.
Superman being called potentially the most powerful being in the omniverse doesnt change that point. You can either take that as hyperbole or you could just accept the point. Doesnt change the official stance.
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Last edited by GalacticStorm on Jan 9th, 2008 at 07:04 PM
Very well could be, I'm just saying when either company just throws the term into a comic, I don't believe they're taking that into account rather than just their own -verses. But for all purposes, I do think they're part of the same whatever. There's a slew of evidence supporting it, like you did up there.
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