You haven't listened to a word I've said, have you?
Just because they aren't dominating every post season game, that doesn't make them any less of a team than the '85 Bears, because rather than being inferior to the Bears themselves; their opponents may have just been >>>> the team's the Bears played in 85.
Yeah because we all know the teams <<before the salary cap. Teams are weaker now than they were then. The Beras also had the number one ranked defense and either the number one or number 2 ranked offense.
This year there hasnt been one dominating defense to scare anyone. The Steelers were number one right? Their defense gave up all kinds of points.
the thing the patriots have done is that they've adjusted to situations in order to win. tom brady didn't have a good game at passing on Sunday, so they gave it to Maroney who took care of it.
i don't think any of the great teams could "blow-out" every single team that came in their way.
all great teams will have bad games and not do as well as advertised, but what makes them great is that they find a way to win.
For the Patriots to go undefeated in such a competitive league is very impressive.
Are you kidding me. The 94 niners had a phenomenal offense and a pretty damn good defense. They had the second best rush defense that year and had Deion Sanders and a pretty good secondary. The pats defense would break against Young and his offense. The 89 niners lit up the scoreboard in the postseason. They utterly dominated while the Pats only put up 21 against the Chargers.Trust me the Pats are great but couldnt beat any of the teams I listed.
I understand, but the current league is competitive. You can't expect the patriots to score 40 to 50 points every single game.
DESPITE that, they still scored more points in a regular season than any other team in history.
Patriots have alot of weapons on the offense, such as the runnning with Maroney, deep pass to Moss, short pass to Welker, etc..
I agree their defense isn't on par, but its still one of the top defensive lines in the league.
I think they'd have enough to give those teams a run for their money.
People worry too much about records and stats. Sure, perfect seasons are nice. But there's a reason the undefeated Dolphins never enter the conversation, and probably weren't even as good as others from their era (like the Steelers' SB teams).
I prefer just looking at a team. Like the Pats. Great offense, but not built for cold weather and the defense is decent but probably not even that good. I think a good pass rush and running game would not just beat them but embarrass them. Most of the teams on this list would beat them soundly. But it's because they have a good O-line, great receivers, and a league who would rather get beat slowly as they drop 8 in coverage than actually blitz, that they win.
Best all time? Not hardly. I think last year's Colts, the previous year's Steelers, hell the previous year's Pats...would all beat them at least 6/10.
85 Bears for me. I also like the 96 Packers and the 98 Broncos. Not mentioned enough in these sorts of conversations....and both would line up against the teams you normally hear (89 Niners, 70-something Steelers, 90-something Boys, etc.) and play fine.
I always will figure that if the Pats were in a tougher division, they would atleast lost 1 game. It's really hard for a team that has two good teams in it to win all 6 games. Look at thier division, the worst team in the league and top 5 worst team in the league.
For the most part I agree with you. People do worry to much about regular season records. Case and point. Do you remember the 99 Rams. Offense as clicking on all cylinders. They had an easy ass schedule for one which people tend to forget and two. They didnt really blow anyone out and didnt even score 20 in the nfc championship game. So when it mattered they still won but didnt even come close to dominating. I think the nfc championship game was 11-6 against the buc and the super bowl was decided by a yard.
Ok now when we swing back to the Pats. Sure their offense is all that but their defense lets teams drive on them all day. The offense slowed down dramatically against a Tomlinsonless Chargers team.
I think though digimark you left out some great niners teams. 84,89,94 comes to mind. 98 broncos I am impressed with you bringing them up because they were badass. Another team people forget about is the 91 redskins. They mauled teams as well. 86 Giants werent to shabby either.
Agreed quan. Though I try to leave out some of the obvious teams and attempt to give credit to those that I don't think get enough rep. But yeah, all those teams you mentioned are in the convo.
Yes, I just wish some other people would realize that just because you own some cool records and are undefeated that it doesnt mean you are the most complete and greatest nfl team of all time.
I agree that the Pats and their win against the Chargers was laughable. I mean they won but the Chargers were without their best player...and the barely won. They were far from the greatest team of all time.
...which absolutely infuriates me as to why there are so many stupid f**ks in sports broadcasting, analysts, coaching and GM spots.
Believe me: there are many Joe Schmo civilians out there who can go toe to toe with a lot of these people, who only have these jobs for who they know--not what they know.
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Jan 23rd, 2008 04:31 PM
Teams are weaker now than they were then. The Beras also had the number one ranked defense and either the number one or number 2 ranked offense. 
