The barrier doesn't negate the TK, his power is what negates the TK. Jean grey tried to lift Jug up and keep him still and he simply walked through it....in air.
The magic forcefield that apparently prevents helmet removal has been shown like 2 or 3 times in Juggernaut's several decade history. About the same number of times telepathy has affected Juggernaut through the helmet. Helmet removal + psibolt.
Yeah, I know about the Jean Grey/Walking on air thing. Like I said, TK wouldn't be used to stop his motion. Only to get the helmet off, so as to attack him with TP
More like 5 or six times, hell, his forward walking motion hasn't been shown more than 10 times, maybe less. Doesn't mean he doesn't have those powers, it means he's written badly.
Not to mention that the helmet is bolted on and Jug won't stand there for minutes at a time while Sinister tries to pry the helmet off unsuccessfully. One hand on the helmet, the other kicking ass.
Honestly though X I wouldn't count jolts as him being effected by the TP. It just means that his helmet kind of took the force and knocked it back his mind was unaffected. Heck most TP is shown as some kind of force being thrown out
I would only count the times when his mind was actually effected by TP through the helmet.
I KNEW you were referencing him using tech in Inferno in Sinister's lab as seen and explained when he trapped Madelyne Prior.
BTW
Juggernaut flattens Sinister 10/10xs. Aint a damn thing he could do to him. And even in your scans or any Sinister arc you'll never here anyone, including Sinister himself, reference Sinister as a telepath
I wonder why?
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BTW you know what my favorite part of your scans were?
Psylocke admitting the only reason Sinister was so resistant to her powers being
"He knows us and studied us........he seems to be impervious to our powers and able to counter attack in every way (Stacks adds "while he's in his lab with all of his tech that has been said able to nullify and control mutants!")"
Just to expand on whats wrong with you scans...
The scans with sammy, that was from his depowered faze in which his armor didn't prevent mind attacks. It doesn't to date as a matter of fact.
In neither one of the scans where it did penetrate did the writer right that it made him impervious to mental attacks. Some write it as dulling mental attacks. Marvel officially recognizes it as makeing him impervious to mental harm however.
The Helmet is magically summoned before his depowering not bolted down. So the TK really wont work.
Just a few thoughts.
Last edited by Putar on Mar 12th, 2007 at 05:42 PM
I also agree that his classic version was eventually made to where the helmet blocks mental attacks.
On this last one though, Juggernaut did bolt and/or weld his helmet on sometimes to make it harder to get off. That is why Thor busted it open in their second fight.
So, Juggernaut's helmet could be magically sealed, bolted on, and welded on at the same time.
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Umm...according to Cain in that very same Sammy the Squid boy scan his helmet still SHOULD have protected him against mental attacks. Regardless of that scan the other 4 incidents are in fact all Classic Juggernaut.
In his first appearance the scan where Xavier causes him to fumble with a Mental Bolt, the narrative text actually states that he's supposed to be protected from all mental attacks. In the other scans Juggernaut is surprised and actually makes reference to the fact that the telepaths can bypass his helmet. So in that case your point is moot because it shows that the writers are aware of his so called telepathic "immunity".
The helmet has been removed on a numerous amount of occasions while he was Classic Juggernaut. It's been removed by physical means and he's never had the time to summon it back. So in actual fact the TK method should work, however Juggernauts magical shield has been shown to prevent TK from doing this. Which would make the task harder. But with Mr. Sinister Durability it's not impossible.
What have we learnt? Juggernauts helmet is not 100% TP proof. Heck it wasn't even TP proof in his first appearance.
And just to clarify Mr Sinister is a Telepath and Telekinetic:
In any event I'm inclined to side with Mr. Sinister on this one. He has the powerset to stop the Juggernaut. I'm surprised at the lack of respect he gets on KMC...his track record his way better then Jobberlypse.
Granted himself powers using genetic material from other mutants. What's your point exactly? It's not machinery, he replicated the powers of other mutants permanently via genetic means.
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He's using the tech to turn the energies of a Pyor harbouring a fragment of the PF back on her leaving her in a vulnerable state. No where in that scan does it say the tech is the cause of his Psi-Bolt. The Bio clarifies the fact that his powers are derived from his genetic experiments on mutants.
He granted himself Telepathy and Telekinesis the same way he granted himself Molecular Control over his body and teleportation. It's not tech.
I'd also like to reiterate the fact that his new bio(OHOTMU 2006 #7) that came out at the end of last year states that he gave himself Telepathy, Telekinesis, Complete Molecular Control over his body, Superhuman Strength and the ability to Teleport via genetic means.
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